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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Online coding will never be perfect.</div></div>
wwich is why online will never be taken seriously like offline is
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UHMMM yeah you do that. DOA Online System > VF5 Period.</div></div>if you prefer social functions over as as lagless play as possible then to you it may be better. To everyone else, no, it's not. Aren't you one of those people along with worstplayer that contantly talk about how learning frames is unimportan? If you did know the frames for your moveset you'd realise that a lot of online is BS.

 

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VF5 online >>>>>>DOA online ......why??? because I can actually play good games against the east(ex:Japan) and Europe

 

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well said bro

 

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I second Bad Seed too well said

 

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Depends on the people involved. I hated trying to get a match in DOA only to have everyone standing around in the lobby chatting. Or two people in the room etc dropping out of the match, then sitting in the room chatting while everyone else tries to ignore them etc.

 

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I can agree with a few things that a few of the online supporters on this thread have said but I can't agree with "if an opponent loses online the outcome will be the same offline".
I believe that there are people that play better with lag and people that play better without lag.

I woulda never got involved in this debate until I saw a really good player play offline and then try his game online. It was like night and day.
His movement, his hit-throws, his eteg's, they were almost not there online. The guy is real competitive and he was really trying. Then I asked him to show me what are some of the things that he likes to train on while in Dojo mode and the things that he was showing me I would never even dream of trying online. Ever.

Some really good players train really, really hard at this game. They got the frame data and other intricacies of the game down pact. They go to Dojo mode and train on "muscle memory" so that their reactions are the fastest and most precise
But once these players step into the world of online all it takes is for one frame to be off to throw off their whole game.

I understand what you're saying, SDS, if these so-called "good" players would be so good, then they could just adapt and overcome, right?
The thing is that after years of training to react a certain way, most players find it really difficult to just change up a style of play that is almost second nature to them.
It's like "what? I can't do that anymore?"
Players like yourself who admits to not knowing frames can just deal with this and say "ok, if I can't do that anymore, then I'm going to try this..." but not everybody is cool with that bc that means that it's not the same game for them anymore.

Most VF fans are happy with most of the frame data but, for example, once I found out that I could not connect with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif after blocking Brad's Long Ducking /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif online (against most connections) I thought to myself "damn, that ain't right, that move leaves Brad at -13 and my jab is 11 frames, wtf?". A good Brad player can do that move all day and have time to input at least 3 throw escapes and still press guard to block whatever.

I still have fun with online VF, it's a great learning tool. I don't agree with people bashing it but I also don't agree with people taking it too seriously.

 

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I agree with you 100%. Lag changes the game balance from what it was carefully meant to be offline. It's not to say you cant have fun online but overall, not to be taken seriously. People that already know this don't need to hear it again and the people that don't understand why some of us feel this way, wont really listen anyways. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

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Sorry Im not trying to Be disrespectful in all but. when it comes to this discussion debating about a game not being real caue its online makes no sense once reading this topic in retrospect. Some of you who are saying this is not a real game online is a smack in the face to Sega for atleast releasing this game with that feature period chaining together this small community as is.I got to play against some really good people and befriend some really cool ass dudes (Tony,VF,Ladon,) on this so called fake shit. I gets it in online or offline regardless of which. I use to Pile up in Dabadseed house every weekend with Yesmaster and Extremist and it the gameplay still feel the same when im battling them online. Unless you have a Dark green bar or gray i can understand the lag being and excuse for a few things. In rank i only play if you have 4 green bars cause im not losing on some bullshit only to know that lag was the factor.

 

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* "Online is all I got, nobody plays around here, so that means it's lagfree"

* "I've met a lot of cool people online"

* "VF5 online works perfect, you're just mad because you lost to my mad skillz"

Ok, now I'm convinced, these very technically sound arguments made reevaluate my opinions. VF5 Online is at least as good offline as online. Hell. ONLINE IS BETTER!!

 

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LOOL people are still discussing the bloody obvious...

 

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All of this would be so much less of an issue if devs can start implementing lag correction algorithms instead of just shoving the inputs across the line. VF5 had an excuse, but there will be none if VF5R doesn't have lag correction, not in a post-GGPO world.

Something tells me Sega doesn't care enough to do it, though.

 

Mans fail to realise that online is all about experience.

Which is why it's a godsend.

 

Oh, halleujah, you broke a commandment about having no other god but Him (despite not being your intention).

 

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Or they don't have the money to pour into the R&D of it...

 

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yeah for gods sake Sega said they consider TOK or is it THQ as their model for what they'd like their company to be like. It's so sad because they used to be a juggernaut. I think they just don't have the funds now to make a really polished game the way they should. By polished I mean putting effort into the small things not inertly connected to gameplay but effect fun factor like lag, costumes, loading times, options for online. SCIV did an amazing job with online setup which I really hope sega copies

 

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The current code is possibly best online code out of the current fighting games, you can play it for fun, and its a first contact to versus for many people, but tournament level VF it is not. Organising online qualifiers for example WCG is questionable.

I have said all I have to say on this matter.

 

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I agree with this. But I'm a Ps3 owner and don't play VF online anyway.

But what if the VF tournament scene switches to online /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif

What if online play and balance become the new VF tournament standard because people can find more competition online /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif


I prefer the in person thing myself (caveat: my online experience is limited to Tekken 5DR). But a lot of cats talk about no competition where they live and the only place they can play is online.

So online VF balance might become the standard in the future.
We might have to change those frame rates to online frame rates
that will have to be described using some kind of fuzzy math /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sick.gif

A lot of players were cryin for online VF. Sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for. Will Sega sacrifice other aspects of VF game play on the march to adding more online features /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

 

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Sega? The fucking king of the arcade other than Capcom, Sega?. Sega that pretty much runs shit? If one guy that worked for free in his leisure time can do it, so can they. It's not really hard. It's being done for HD Remix and supposedly for Street Fighter IV as well.

 

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The solution still isn't perfect. How much difference would it make? Not only that you get roll back issues. As good as GGPO, it still has problems.