Justifying Online VF ( Ver.C Tier List Side Topic)

You only use like three moves and they are all easy to input on a pad, a stick would make no difference to your play but for those of us that can input more than 4 button presses, a stick makes more sense.

And if you don't notice lag affecting your games then you are a retard... you should stop smoking all those coco pops.

 

Lag DOES have a impact on one's performance during gameplay. Especially in a game like VF where your moves only come out right if your timing is spot on. The first time I played VF5 on Xbox Live there was notable lag during the match and it completely threw my "mojo" off. It felt so confusing pressing the buttons and getting either a delayed response or, even worse, no response at all. Lag CAN mess up your game. The problem is that there are some sneaky bastards out there that know exactly how to use that lag to their advantage and then you get messed up bad.

In situations like that one has to wonder if these online "tough guys" are really as good as they seem or are they simply just good at using lag to their advantage, and in a offline lag-free game they would probably get their asses handed to them by even the weakest of players.

In a game where lag is present you end up not being sure of how or when to respond, because your sense of the timing of your character's moves gets all scrued up because the lag causes a delay in your button presses and your character doing the move.

You're dreaming if you think that lag doesn't impact your game. The only reason FPS players don't complain about lag in their games any more is because they've been living with it for ages now. Trust me, back in the day FPS players did more than their fair share of complaining about lag. And I know from personal experience that if only one person's game is lagging then that gives the person who has no lag a CONSIDIRABLE advantage over the one experiencing lag.

Another prolem with fighting games such as VF is that lag affects some characters more than others. This means that the guy playing with a character who is not as affected by lag will have an advantage over the guy unlucky enough to be playing with a character who is more affected by lag.

The ONLY way you can have a FAIR match is if both players have a lag-free experience, and in most cases this can only be achieved offline.

You can agrue all you want, but the fact of the matter is that even a slight moment of lag can mean the difference between victory and defeat in any game.

 

Actually I've never played on a pad until VF5, this transition
is absolutely heinous for me. (Never even played on a game
console for very long until VF5) One of the reasons why I can't
do any advanced defensive techniques. I used the stick thing to
describe a "mentality" more than whether you should use a stick
or not by the way. I'd use a stick to if I really cared so much.
I just don't. Just like I don't care about minimal lag.

Regarding lag....
See the word "any." Obviously if lag is the only reason why you
lose then lag MUST be the only reason why I win. It just doesn't
add up.

 

You also have to wonder if they can beat you just the same.
Just saying just because you think you lost "because of lag"
doesn't make that the case. See the big fat excuse I mentioned
in a prior case. You're witch hunting for the guy you should have
beat because of lag you can't measure.

That's funny since matches against people I play regularly still
seem to have very similar outcomes. I'd even say I sense a bit
of consistency. Ask Blahzie how many times I knee him in the face
or Murder Material. Maybe you should ask Glory how many times
he's punished me successfully for not hit checking. Wait, maybe
I should see how inconsistent Konjou Akira is at beating the
living shit out of most of the people on this site.

I never said it doesn't impact my game. How badly it impacts my
game depends on the amount of lag. Minimal lag is not a good
excuse for every loss that you may incur. I don't think this
is debatable. As far as far as people complaining in FPS games
YES they did but I never heard anyone say. "You better be glad
this ain't offline." Low ping was good enough, see minimal lag.

I play Jeffry and serve fools. I want to see you beat up
Adam Yuki on live. Play the fastest character you like. Go ahead.
Shit record it. If you don't want to play Yuki go play Flash.

The only way you can have a fair match is if everyone is
having a good day, their favorite joystick, in their favorite
chair, with the same amount of game experience. Minimal lag
is minimal, find another excuse or get off of Live.

It can, but the best player will come out on top most of the
time which is something I'm willing to take my chances on.
(especially with the price of gas nowadays /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif )

 

ANd how many online matches do you play outside of US?

 

I think that point is irrelevant. Why would you purposefully play a bad connection. The little indicator is there for a reason. If it's gray=Stay Away! XD

 

Who said you were scrubby? If you were i would've never stayed around that long.

I quite sure a lot of people think about me a "Oh Him" do i care? Cause i know somewhere along the line im going to get in that ass. Now next time since we had 2 bars i'll unplugg my router so we can rock a little better. I have a boost 5.5mb up should be good enough to work. Other than that i don't want to be the greatest. I don't want a bucha fucking email invites cause scrubs wanna try thier luck.I like the challenges but i just wanna remain in the cut as an exceptional VF player.

STFU Honestly!

Now if your boy can't get a victory with three options at his disposal either then he's shitty too Sorry.



@Worstplayer You read my Mind Bro. +20.

Plain simple good players will find a way to get it done regardless. Thos goes for anyone of you cats that bitch about Online and Offline. GET USED TO IT!! ITS been 8 Months already get your weight up. How do you think i feel when i play SF2 on xboxlive?

 

I generally play people on the EC of US.
Once in a while I'll play some people in
Europe. Pompeyfraz comes to mind or Geewalho.

Why do you ask? I'm still not
completely sold that the matches would
have an amazingly different outcome.

Are you asking me this because I'm the transcontinental
lag master and have mastered the art of beating
people with lag connections if I beat players
outside the U.S. ?

With Jeffry. Shit with Shun Di, Goh, Brad or Lau?
(Okay maybe with Lau /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif )
My winning vs people outside the US must all
be flukes obviously.

Yes the matches are effected by lag. How much?
I don't know. I just win...most of the time /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

i've played a lot of VF online, and it has helped me see a lot of different things outside of what your friends do, which ultimately has improved my game.

 

Wait you're saying that playing online has helped make your game
better? I mean like offline? You don't say?

I had some pretty good fights against you too in NJ.
I came pretty close to winning against one of the premiere
players in the states. Not to pat myself on the back but....

BECAUSE I ONLY PLAY ONLINE 95% of the time with no quest
mode or dojo practice! (I'm an arcade player, human competition
all the way baby)

Stop discounting online play people. It's really doesn't make
any sense. Sure we want more people at offline tournaments but
I think putting down online at every turn isn't the way to do it.

 

For those that question my comment by saying I must lose a lot: I have around 80% wins and Master rank on XBL. Not that it matters that much, since it's online.

I think I risk sounding arrogant, but my statement about online VF5 not being the real VF5 is not an opinion, it's fact. This doesn't mean it can't be fun and enjoyable (although I find it to just be painful), there are just too much precision and depth lost online. It's a simplified, dumbed down lottery version of the game.

Again, I'm not saying it can't be fun or a learning experience. But know what it is. It's online. Keep it separate from the real game in discussions. And please stop with the childish and retarded insults against everyone that questions the validity of online.

 

Because,
a.) if you create a session and be challenged by a gray icon player, what do you do?
b.) If you search for matches and get 0-5 non-gray icons in 15 minutes (unable to establish connection when trying to challenge aforementioned non-gray icons), what do you do?

I know for a fact that online can be decent with decent connection (I can tell latency though), unfortunately Im not that regularly in that situation and people who purposefully challenge me on gray icon connection do my head in!

ps. time to stop offtopic.

 

It is the real VF5, I'm not playing any other game
when I play online. I can play semantics too. If my
disc suddenly turns into Call of Duty that's some
real VF magic there.

I love how I can get pretty good at the REAL VF, playing
what must be the FAKE VF. Maybe VF doesn't have
as much depth as you think it does or maybe, just
maybe at the level most people play it: (With
minimal lag.) It just doesn't matter.

By the way online I'm 1st Dan, see sig. (Everyone else specially
on the east coast see everything else in the sig too /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif )

 

Quite the opposite. He's REALLY strong. And having more options makes the him even stronger.

That paraphrase is to illustrate differences between offline and online.


Please don't insult someone just because you feel like it. In this situation it's groundless and you have no idea who I'm talking about nor their skill level.

 

My two cents-- VF online is mandatory if you want to become a stronger player in the USA. Yes some matches are laggy and yes even inconsistent but still thats better then fighting only locals. I've become a stronger player ever since this game featured the online option. Certain players like Slide, Dabadseed and Glory85 got to their level simply because the game is online. Players should take the time to fully understand why their are losing before they quickly rush to say lag.

 

Online has helped my exposure to different styles of play, however I still put alot of time of studying outside of just playing so that I can make sure to separate what only works online vs. offline. Then I make sure to not do the things that only works online even if it means I lose a round or two. I focus on other things to try to beat my opponent which in turn helped me focus more.

Although, it's very possible for someone who has only experienced online to learn the wrong things. AM2 did a great job of representing VFs engine online, however it's not 100% representation of the intricacies of the game. This may be what ruins it for some, including me, that's why I don't play rank anymore.

To recapitulate, I agree that online isn't "real" VF (not exact representation). But I also agree that online is vital into improving so long as you are aware and careful of what you learn (this may only apply to those who frequent/plan to go to tournaments). If you only play the game on the most basic reason: fun, then it won't matter to you if online VF doesn't equal offline VF 100%.

 

@Denkai
^ Agreed entirely with that too.

Also SDS and WorstPlayer, I don't see where people are claiming lag as to why they lose or anyone bashing online players in this thread. I may have overlooked it, but I don't see it. I've read players not playing as well but no one flat out saying lag is the reason they've lost. I know many have before but I'm not seeing it in this thread.

Also agree with Oioron too. I think why players like Slide and Gl0ry, Gentlemen Thief and the lot have become so good by just playing online is because they've been really disciplined in learning the core of the game and realize what would fly offline as well.

 

Yknow what I think is that sometimes people get to a certain
level of play online where they think they've got it all figured
out. One day they lose playing against some scrub tactic by a
low level player that they forgot how to get past or they lose
because they fail to condition the unconditionable (see scrub.)
After this bitter taste they label VF online as trash and that
you shouldn't take it seriously.

PPP7K is UNSTOPPABLE online. OMG 1KK with Pai is GODLY ONLINE!
Lion is 20 X better online! Blah blah blah blah.
There's no way I didn't throw escape that!
The sad fact is sometimes it's not lag at
all. It's just you. Sure lag may be there but
that's not why you lost.

 

I see no reaon why you shouldn't play ranked online. Do the
people NOT try to beat you in player match. This makes absolutely
no sense to me.

Is it just that you want to choose your opponents that follow
the "rules" albeit, they themselves may not follow the rules
perfectly 100% of the time.

 

It's just that everyone else started discounting online play as
if it's a horrid thing that they all indulge simply due to lack
of a better option.

All I'm saying is that you can TAKE online play seriously in
fact I think it's a good idea too. I've played people offline
although 95% or more of my game playing time is ONLINE and done
well. I think that's a testament that I'm doing something right
despite being brought up on VF5:ONLINE.

You can apply the same strategies online as offline.
Online CAN be taken seriously. Just because someones beating you
online DOES NOT mean he can't beat you offline.

I'm just beating down any accusations that winning online
has any notably LESS VALUE than winning offline when theres
minimal lag. If I beat you 10 times straight with minimal lag
or even 6 times don't come at me with the "Well it's online"
excuse. The worst thing about online is the players egos in
my opinion being wounded when they THINK they played better
than they did.