It has begun

Re: Get off the bandwagon...

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Shadowdean said:

Oh please Llanny. What other country has the capabilities of us? A few ff casualties is still significantly less than any other country could manage in such an operation. Our military technology is leaps and bounds above everyone, in part because it gets such a rediculous amount of our budget (60 percent or so). Name ONE country that mess with with U.S?

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Shadowdean, read back to my first post, it explains the US defense budget's realities in the present and near futur. What I might not be reading correctly is if you mean that that's 60% of the defense budget ( 3.5% of the GDP currently ) is used for the development of technology or you thought that 60% of the total US Budget is spent on defense technology ?

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

no, but i have it on the other channel, which i've just exercised.

care to make a non-trolling and thoughtful response to the post i made?

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

Yeah, real mature. It's nice to see that when you can't do anything, you rely on the last vestage of your power.

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

Dude, what have you been doing?

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

but he did do something. the most obvious is the ban. but slightly less obvious to you is bring certain points to a conversation (as did other people in this thread) that you either ignored because it didn't fit your ideological bent or just didn't understand. Zero pipes in with a comment and you have the laughable temerity to tell her she doesn't belong and she doesn't add anything when all along the only people adding content to this thread were the people in opposition to yourself; you kept saluting and making gross inferences, oblivious.

I think its fantastic that your presence on IRC relies on someone being "mature" when you normally can't handle the job yourself. Its those two edged swords that cut the deepest.

GE
<font color="green"> whatever </font>

 

some interesting reading

this is from the Whitehouse Website. I just thought it was an interesting read and figured others might as well but not know where to look.

GE
<font color="green">Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible. </font>

 

Re: some interesting reading

I just saw (God) Bush's address to (God) request congress to (God) allow him 75 (God) billion for a (God) 6 month war campaign. (God) He also said (God) God about 100 (God) times in a 30 (God) minute period. (God) It's like him and (God) Saddam are waging a (God) secondary war (God)to see who can say (God)God the most within (God) the shortest period of (God) time. I think it's (God) time to call Guinness (God) and have them (God) start counting. I feel as if (God) I'm watching Orel Roberts or (God) someone similar each (God) time they address (God)their respective nations. (God) The "rumor" that the Iraqi's (God) are going to use chemical (God) weapons if we cross (God) the red circle around Baghdad (God)is getting out of hand (God) again. I feel as if I am watching (God) Reagan and Qadhafi arguing (God) over the "Line of Death" back (God) in the 80's. Man I feel old now. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

Re: some interesting reading

Also, forgot to mention the strange and scary sight on CNN yesterday. A 12 year old Kurdish kid named "Dick Cheney". His father named him in honor of the great Dick Cheney from the Gulf War. /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif He also has a child on the way that he plans to name George W. Bush in honor of Dubya.

 

Re: some interesting reading

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replicant said:

Also, forgot to mention the strange and scary sight on CNN yesterday. A 12 year old Kurdish kid named "Dick Cheney". His father named him in honor of the great Dick Cheney from the Gulf War. /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif He also has a child on the way that he plans to name George W. Bush in honor of Dubya.

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This is really Fucked up when Bush the other day critized Russia for selling weapon technology to Iraq when most of the weapons they are using to fight us in this war is from the U.S. What a freaking moron and the worst thing about this icident is that he demaned that Putin do something about it immediately and said that he's looking forwards to the results in a direct phone call.

I wonder when Battle Star Galactica is arriving to Earth so I can get a Viper and start using some real weapons of mass distruction junior Bush's Texas White Ass. /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

Re: some interesting reading

Pretend to act surprised about this news item. /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Your mention of Cheney triggered it, do you get the feeliing maybe he's just a little swarmy.

 

Re: some interesting reading

Wow, didnt see that one coming.
Must be a coincidence, im sure they made the best offer(bribe).

 

Re: some interesting reading

Lets hope it stays this way, if they dont have em they cant use em thus saving lotsa lives on both sides.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/890580_asp.htm

In months of allegation and investigation on the way to war, no firm evidence emerged that Iraq held weapons of mass destruction. Now it is up to the U.S. invasion force to find such weapons  if they exist.

The U.S. and British accusations that Baghdad was hiding chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs were the reason most commonly cited by Washington for attacking Iraq. The credibility of those claims was undercut, however, by disclosures of forgery and misrepresentation underlying some of them, and by the failure of U.S. intelligence reports to lead U.N. inspectors to any important finds.
On Tuesday, Maj. Gen Victor Renuart told reporters at the Central Command briefing in Qatar that troops have yet to find evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

 

Re: some interesting reading

That article raises the whole question as to why Dubya is there in the first place. If we're there to disarm them and they have nothing to disarm, what time is it in Korea?

At least Dubya doesn't care about his image.

Downloading fun is found here.

 

ebay

http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,58190,00.html

VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- On eBay, the highest bid wins -- unless the item on sale is a laser printer from CompAtlanta and the bidder happens to be Canadian.

That's what a tax consultant discovered last week when he tried to buy a printer on eBay, but was refused by the vendor when it was discovered he lived in Vancouver.


David Ingram received notification that his winning bid of $24.50 had been canceled, along with this message: "At the present time, we do not ship to, or accept bids from, Canada, Mexico, France, Germany or any other country that does not support the United States in our efforts to rid the world of Saddam Hussein. If you are not with us, you are against us."

 

Re: some interesting reading

It actually just underscores the constant questions that the rigid pro-war/pro-support-our-president-no-matter-what lemmings dismiss because it causes them moral nosebleeds.

The amount of proof regarding the constant forgeries (which, for the benefit of the dense, are lies) trotted out as fact and evidence is staggering. American Revisionism can only really go so far as an oral approach; I'm waiting for the textual purges to correct "historical innacuracies".

In the meantime, if you can load it up here's the English Aljazeera!

GE

 

Re: some interesting reading

On behalf of the NYSE and NASDAQ we do not support Aljazeera. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

Re: some interesting listening

John Derringer versus Andrew Krystal

some great back and forth even though sometimes both ends tend to repeat themselves. In the end its two people with a respect for the other but holding very different approaches to the attack of Iraq. If you're into summaries over 35 minutes of debate skip to the last 10 seconds and you'll be treated to a pretty accurate depiction of what seems to happen whenever people debate politics.

GE
-if there are people actually making use or liking these I have a killer one coming on the weekend.

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

Oh joy, so Bungle resorts to the only tacts he has, banning from an IRC chat room...big man there.
What seems to get lost inside of everybody's heated ideological beliefs, is all I have been doing is playing devils advocate - what if Oil/colonialism/etc are not the main motivating factors...is it really that hard to believe that we could be doing something for the sake of good?
You know, there are a million problem spots in the world with all sorts of attrocities going on all the time. THe U.S does not have the resources to solve them all, nor should it be the United States sole responsibility. We go after problems in which the solution can also benefit us. Is that so bad - no...thats how the world works.

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

I would like to believe that this administration is invading Iraq for only the best reasons. But that would require me to turn my head and ignore all the evidence to the contrary. I would have to ignore all the right-wing thinktanks like PNAC that wrote about American dominance of the Middle East. I would have to ignore that Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserves, and that the US consumes 20 million barrels a day. I'd also have to ignore that Haliburton is getting plum post-war deals while Cheney is still receiving $1 million a year from his former company. For that matter, I'd have to ignore that Haliburton did over $70 million in business in Iraq during the '90s, well after the Gulf War against "Hitler."

I'd have to ignore that this war is opposed by virtually the entire world; that the Bush administration squandered all the good will generated from 9/11; that much of the world believes Bush to be a greater threat than Saddam or Osama bin Laden.

In order to accept this war, I would also have to accept all the claims made by the White House. I'd have to believe that Saddam is in league with Osama, and that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. This is, after all, the reason Bush officially offered to the Congress before the bombing started, and the fear of terrorism has been pounded into the public since, well, 9/11.

I'd have to believe their "evidence" of Iraq's nuclear program -- forged documents and everything. I'd have to believe Powell's testimony to the UN -- even though virtually all the public information has been debunked and disproven. I'd have to accept outdated college term papers (from 1991) Googled off the Internet is the truth.

I'd have to believe that the CIA is wrong when it says that Iraq poses no threat to the US. I'd have to believe the Middle Eastern countries are lying when they say they are not threatened. I'd have to believe in "unmanned drones" and color codes and duct tape and visions of imminent doom. Hide under the covers, kids!

I'd have to ignore the fact that Iraq's military is 1/3 the size it was in 1990; that 70% of its population is children; that UN sanctions have resulted in the deaths of 500,000 children under the age of 5.

And I guess I'll also have to believe in "shock and awe" and that Iraq is about the crumble any second and that the people of Iraq are about to cheer us through their streets. After all, we're not conquerors, and when have we ever let those people down before.

Given the evidence, I'm sorry, I can't accept the White House's claims. I know too much about what's happening in this country to take Bush at face value.

 

Re: Hussein just did a live speech...

>> all I have been doing is playing devils advocate

read this thread.

hopefully you'll take in and understand the point that your most ardent, and only, defender (creed) made about playing devil's advocate.

although it's pretty clear you're not even doing that...you say you're playing devil's advocate, and then you go right ahead and contradict yourself (as usual) by maintaining your same ignorant and apologist line.

>> is it really that hard to believe that we could be doing something for the sake of good?

yes. if you actually read the links, quotes and "referances" which you even asked for yourself, and which were given to you, you might even begin to get a faint glimmer of otherwise.