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Get off the bandwagon...

It's easy to pick on France, Germany, and Russia for their lack of support in this US/UK excursion, but the simple fact is that the US/UK "failed" to prove to the UN that this military action was necessary. France, Germany, and Russia have interests in Iraq that far outway anything that the US or UK has there. This war is not about the liberation of the Iraqi people. It is simply about the liberation of Iraqi oil and the advancement of political careers. Even if it looks like political suicide in it's current situation for Bush and Blair. It will help their careers quite a bit once they liberate the Iraqi people and show the world the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam was hiding.

I personally hope that this blows up in Bush's face, so that he absolutely has no chance of re-election. We've had enough warmongers in office in the US and it would be awesome to have a president skilled in diplomacy in office.

I agree that Saddam has to pay for his past crimes against humanity, but in all fairness he should have paid for them 15 years ago. Dubya is just finishing up what his dad couldn't in hopes of getting rid of the black eye.

 

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See you seem to think it is the US people follwing the lead of a warmongering president. In my opinion its quite the opposite. 75% of the US people are in favor of this war. thats a high number.

 

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A majority of Americans also believe that saddam had something to do with 9/11.
Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it.
For the last 9 months the words out of the Bush camp have amounted to little more then Saddam/WMD/Al Queda and IREFUTABLE PROOF.

The irefutable proof al turned out to be fake yet you didnt get the US press reporting much on it.
No one in the press asked questions.
to the contrary before the Powell presentation they had headlines stating SMOKING GUN ON IRAQ.
And after the presentation it was a compelling case proving the links between Al queda and Saddam, proving he had stockpiles of chemical agents and proving he had an active nuclear program.

It took CNN(one of the few to actually report on it) a full week to report on the fact that the nuclear documents powell presented were fake, they only did so becouse the BBC and other foreign newsorganisations had been reporting on it for a while.
Everything Powell presented turned out to be fabrications or outright lies.

Yet what do the people remember?
They remember Saddam/All queda/WMD/Irefutable proof.

Its sickening.

 

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LoL, people are so gulabble belive whatever the press tells you, THIS IS NOT ABOUT OIL.

 

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LoL, people are so gulabble belive whatever the press tells you, THIS IS NOT ABOUT OIL.

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DAMN STRAIGHT!!
This is all about family honor, the oil's just a damn good motivator. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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Open up the Newsweek(conservative US press) International edition of this week and be greeted by an article about US and UK oil firms securing the exploitation of the iraqi oilfields.

 

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Oh BTW, where did I mention oil before my previous post?
I merly stated some facts.

 

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Not to mention Cheney's old company Haliburton had contracts with Iraq. I wonder if the US will honor those? /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

For Cheney it's all about the Axis of Profits.

 

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LoL, people are so gulabble belive whatever the press tells you, THIS IS NOT ABOUT OIL.

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If you don't think this is in part about opening up formerly unavailable oil reserves, then you are either naive, blind, or stupid. You may take your choice.

 

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I'll choose all of the above. The US has always been very selective of who, how and why they choose to "liberate"a country or people; Pinochet, anyone?

I find it funny that, while maintaing that supporters of iraq are considered the enemy, the US in the 1980s supplied Iraq with cluster bombs, intelligence and chemical and biological agents. that would kind of make them supporters would it not?

Also troubling is the manner in which "president" Bush managed to turn the thoughts of America away from bin laden (remember him? WTC??) and towards Iraq with nearly no evidence of linkage between the two.

The level of historical revisionism on the part of the Bush administration is positively Lewis Carrollesque. George Orwell, in "1984" had the governments changing the history books in order to keep up with alliances.

Couple that with the new generation of Newspeak (The sort of impoverished thinking that goes along with the daily reduction of the dictionary in that novel is of particular importance right now. It’s not that we’re engaged in active deletion of words so much as the active avoidance of some views or thoughts because they can be somehow construed as “un-American†or “un-popular†(or worse that you somehow give tacit approval of 9-11 or this type of activity). These rapid turnings away of these types of arguments only hamper our ability to effectively question questionable leadership) and you have some very serious problems.

Fuck Iraq. I want a democracy in Florida.

GE

 

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But Bush is restoring honor and dignity to the white house see below:

LONDON -- Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), a division of the Houston-based oil services company Halliburton, has won a Pentagon contract to assess and rehabilitate possible damage to Iraq's oil infrastructure, in case Saddam Hussein sets his
oilfields ablaze following a US military strike.

He and Cheney are fine upstanding moral people.

 

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Well, one way or another, we're going to find out pretty quick. At the rate things are going, this war will be over by the end of the week.

I suspect the initial missile attack on the first night took out a lot of Iraq's command & control. Saddam himself may have been killed as well.

Needless to say, that's good news for everyone. We all want this damn thing over with as soon as possible. And, yes, a quick and easy victory is a vindication of the anti-war crowd. There's no way in hell Iraq was a credible threat to anyone, let alone the US.

 

whose a good prole?! yessah! yes you are! you so cuuuuuutee! aw ahahahah. good prole. roll around....eheh. roll....roll AROUND.

now fuck off, prole.

 

Aaaah Mr Bungle, what would we do without youre good old frontier gibberish?

 

the funny thing is (I know I'm referencing Orwell a lot, sorry) that Orwell thought that it was the proles and not the likes of Winston Smith that would make the upswing against the oppressive regime.

shrug.

GE

 

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Link to support the 75%?

Did they interview a fairly large sample population across a large stretch of US geography? Did they ask a representative sample of every age and economic group? For example, if this is in internet poll... it doesn't mean 75% of the average american is in favor of war, it means "75% of people who can afford a personal computer and a monthly internet connection and who visit sites like the one hosting the poll are in favor of the war". Is it possible the pollmakers have any sort of agenda? Did they word the poll in such a way that it says outright that "I am in favor of and support sending United States troops into the middle east to wage war" .. or was it something akin to "I believe Saddam Hussein needs to replaced" or "the Iraqi government should be censured"?

URL PLZ KTHX

 

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I haven't seen an internet poll or any that said that 75% of the US was for the war, but I remember CNN putting up information yesterday that their independent survey said that 68% were in favor. No idea how credible it was though. Hell, their poll showed that Bush had a 62% popularity vote as compared to 52% 2 days before the war started. <shrug>

 

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Do you think Saddam is santa-clause or mr. lovey-dovey?

 

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Do you think Saddam is santa-clause or mr. lovey-dovey?

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Ah yes, either youre with us or youre against us again.
Agree or be condemned as a terrorist suporting mass murderer loving comunist pinko nutcase.
Get youre head out of youre ass and look at all those colours this world consists of, even youre computer screen can show 16.7 million of em instead of just black and white.
The days of pong are over, youre brain however still seems stuck in the days of yore.

 

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Ok you weed smoking, butt fucking, homosexual hippy...what is your point?
After your tired and idiotic tirade, you STILL failed to answer my question. Do you think Saddam is a good guy? Hmm? Do you condone the rape camps that go on inside of his country? Or hell, should we just stand by everything and let whatever attrocities go on..maybe we should not of gotten involved in the Korean war, or maybe even WWII....
You know..its these gut, non-informed, extremist dick licking attitudes that make me want to hit people with a shit filled sock.