IS IRON MIKE TYSON STILL THE MAN?

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

Sorry Llan, but you are incorrect on this one. I suffer from Dyslexia and am quite versed in what it is. I had a hell of a time in elementary school and junior high because of it as well.

Dyslexia is a condition that effects thought processes in the areas of Language (speech, reading, writing), memory, and basic mathematics. In a sense our mind is slower or faster than our reactions. Sometimes it shows in the inability to decipher words, construct proper sentences, or even just do basic addition. I was diagnosed as Dyslexic and Hyper-Active (ADD before the name) shortly after going into Kindergarten, but through years of work I can speak and read better than most people and have a collegiate education. The math problems that some have problems with never bothered me. Yet, I am still very impatient and cannot stand sitting and doing nothing, so I guess I still have my ADD. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Sometimes I still get excited or pissed off and when I say things they don't quite come out right. My learning to cope with Dyslexia was by thinking everything through usually before I say anything. So I am sometimes William Shatner when I talk, because of the pauses. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif At least 99% of the time I can communicate well though, so I can't complain.

Not trying to be an ass Llan, just trying to educate a bit. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gifI still think Mike Tyson Rules! /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

what stereotype?

wow. third time I've tried to address this one response. I keep deleting. Too much, too little...wah.

the basic points.

1) a disabliltiy such as dyslexia or hyper-activity is no excuse for any actions. sorry but no. myself and my sister have both (ritalin and restricted diets, yummy!) althought my sister had the worst of the deal so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.

2) sounds like you really like Mike. I still don't care if he's the greatest (he's not). His sport doesn't take precedent over his actions in life. That's the point I think most people miss. Take away the circus and money and Tyson is a stain on the street that gets washed away with the first rain. His impact on anything real is non-existant.

3) It is too bad that there is currency in human misery, interest in the pathological is, I think, pathological itself.

4) pays to re-iterate a basic point: the responsibility and motivation for success is yours and yours alone. We all have choices to make and we all live by those consequences or are cowards of life. Cowards of life are drowning and drag all those within arms reach with them. Better to turn your backs and wait for the bubbles to stop.

GE

 

Re: what stereotype?

1. Not sure what you're trying to get at here. A condition of any kind that impairs or alters mental faculties cannot be dismissed so lightly. It may not be an absolution of crimes, but it is definitely a point of interest for justification.

2. I said "I" thought he was the greatest, but I argue that he is "one" of the greatest boxers. His sport *is* his life. When you become such a prolific person in the eyes of the public, you lose all privacy that denotes a standard life. It may not be what *you* consider a life, but it is his nonetheless. You dislike him as a human being and that is clouding your judgement of his talent. Simple.

3. Can't argue.

4. Sounds like someone is fighting for humanity when they hate it themselves. Ce Sara Sara.

 

Re: what stereotype?

this is the way I should have done it at the beginning. makes for easily arguable points.

1) What I'm getting at is that I have both conditions (hyperactivity and dyslexia). My sister has both conditions. We made basic choices (as did yourself) that improved the quality of our lives. Its not a crutch, its an Obstacle.

2) my dislike for him as a human being is not clouding my judgement. it is informing it. I think that once you value something (anything) more than life (human or otherwise) you are in the same boat as some very despicable people. <analogy deleted>

3) !

4) it seems harsh doesn't it? I don't despise humanity, I despise those who twist it and make it a cariacture, who would devalue it enough to turn it to their own ends. first affront deserves pity and understanding; second affront deserves pity, understanding, correction and diligence; third dictates that you make the choice of constant expenditure of energy and time or walk away. As before the choice is yours. I tend to walk and that's my choice but before doing so I give it my best efforts and designs for something better.

GE

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

I'll stand corrected on the fact that I was too harsh by eliminating speech in the defining symptoms of dyslexia. More often than not, however, it's a condition which predominantly affects people's ability to read and write because of perception issues. This includes math because dyslexics can read the number 12 as 21, etc.

I can be quite certain however that Mike Tyson's ability to behave like an idiot is NOT related to his dyslexia. Let's pull some quotes out, shall we?


[/ QUOTE ]
"I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him [Lennox Lewis]. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children. "

"If I take this camera and put it in your face for 20 years, I don't know what you might be. You might be a homosexual if I put that camera on you since you were 13 years old. I've been on that camera since I was 13 years old."

"I like getting high, I like spending time with my kids, I like drinking, I like to do other things"


[/ QUOTE ]

I think you get the point. His dyslexia is not affecting *what* he says. It may affect *how* he says it, but not the content. Notice that there's no spoonerism in the above quotes - so, I'm not buying the dyslexia excuse for Iron Mike.

Replicant, you say you like him - just wtf about him is there to like? I mean, really, wtf is there that is admirable about this man?

cheers,

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

I imagine, although I'm obviously not speaking for him, that he likes him because of his performance in the ring. That issue is the only one I'm terribly concerned with, because I think any objective (or even a reasonably subjective) view of Mike Tyson's behaviors would ellicit a consistent response: the man is a lunatic. I'm not saying that it's his fault or that the state of his life now is somehow of his own choosing, but his actions speak louder than any speculation can.

I've also never been particuarly impressed with him as a boxer. In his prime Tyson was knocking out chumps. His division was devoid of any real talent save Evander Holyfield, whom he never got to fight because he was too busy raping women (after getting knocked out by the first fighter he fought who could take a punch). It's a good thing he never fought Holyfield back then because in his prime I think Holyfield could have eaten him alive. But that's speculation so I'll stay away from that. What isn't speculation is that when they finally met Holyfield throttled him soundly. Twice. His subsequent shalacking by Lewis further compunds the case against his talent. What quality opponent has he ever defeated? It's the same case that's built around champions who've never been tested. Tim Austin is a great example. He was a champion for 10 years, never fought Johnny Tapia or Paulie Ayala, the only two semi-competant fighters in his division, then he gets beaten by some unknown with a good trainer. The only way to gauge Tyson's skill is against his opponents, and in that respect he comes up very short. I don't care if you like him or not, he never won the big fights.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

I don't have enough knowledge to talk about mike's boxing ability, which I will agree is more than just everyday. But the rest about tyson "only reacting when provoked" is apologist bullshit :/

Does anyone think those maryland motorists had the nerve to get in mike tyson's face over a minor traffic collision? No... one guy rearended another, who in turn was knocked forward into tyson's vehicle. He got out, socked the second guy in the face, then when the first guy worked up the nerve to get out of his car (after Tyson appeared to be calmed down), Tyson ran up and kicked him in the balls. It's perfectly cut and dried. It's not like either of these guys jumped out of their cars and started yelling at the guy who ultimately got rear-ended.

No provocation = mike's got no excuse, unless you consider a traffic accident good enough cause to start swinging.

I haven't looked up the details as to

His wife accuses him of being violent (then admits in court that she provoked his outbursts)

but all I can say to that is... yeah, right, the bitch had it coming.
And any woman who gets date raped must have KNOWN the man was expecting sex (it's a date after all!) ...so that makes it ok. She should have just accepted it and moved on rather than suing the poor guy. Changing your mind at the last second and blueballing mike tyson is just really bush.

Rep, nothing personal, but I'm glad I don't live on Tysonia with you and iron mike. People aren't bashing him because they're too blind to see his skills. You're praising him because you're too blind to see what a piece of crap he is. Stick to the "he's a great boxer!" argument because the "he's not a bad person!" schtick is going nowhere.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

The main problem is most of you are fully accepting the media angle of his exploits. I'm not saying he's a saint or without guilt, but I would suggest he is more inclined to have made very poor decisions during most of these encounters.

It has been cited before when I was watching CourtTV about the Maryland incident that the motorists got out of their cars and we're confrontational with Mike. He the attacked them because they were cussing him. In a court of law who are you gonna believe? A boxer with a history of aggressive tendencies or an ignorant driver? Court history shows it to be the driver.

The girl he "raped". Ok, imagine this scenario. A scary one that can happen to every man/boy on this list. You are a well-known wealthy badboy athlete. Your friend asks you to judge a beauty pageant. You accept and show up. Then you see this amazingly hot girl and decide you have to have some of it. You compliment her and ask her out. She says no. Hmmm, do you give up? Hell no. So you talk to her a bit more and get her digits. Later you give her a call and tell her you still want to get with her. She's hesitant. Then you smooth her with some "I just wanna talk" bullshit like most guys do. It's 3am. *NOT* normal talking hours. She comes to your hotel room. You give her a drink, dim the lights, and turn on some Marvin Gaye. She gives in to your propositions and you begin to nail her like you have been envisioning. She wants it harder. Then wants you to hold down in a bondage fashion. In the heat of the moment you give her what she wants. Both of you get off. Somebody sleeps in the wet spot. Cut to next morning. You wake up. Go to the gym and work-out, then *BAM* the popo pulls up and arrests you for suspicion of "Rape" and "Aggravated Assault". You go to jail and she gets a load of cash. Welcome to the woman trap. It can happen to anyone. He's a boxer, wealthy, and had a troubled youth (Sealed records or not) and the judge makes a statement.

I'm not saying Mike is a good guy or a bad guy. Merely that I think he has been railroaded a lot given the information I have seen and made some very poor decisions.

Two sides to every coin.

For the record I never said that Dyslexia was the reason he says some fucked up shit, but I did say I feel it is a part of it. He's just trying to trash talk. Take into account limited education, dyslexia, and the Nation of Islam babble and you get the reasons of why Mike says goofy ass shit most of the time.

Women and religion have been the downfall of many a man. <shrug>

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

I read your woman trap scenario...

That scenario is certainly plausible, but he doesn't HAVE to fuck women he doesn't know.

You'd think he'd be aware that people might try to take advantage of him by now.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

In a court of law who are you gonna believe? A boxer with a history of aggressive tendencies or an ignorant driver? Court history shows it to be the driver.

common sense tells me that if you are rearended, and in turn are accidentally shoved into the car ahead of you, you get out and cuss at the guy who rearended you, NOT at the guy you just accidentally smashed. There's clearly no fault for Mike - he didn't rearend anyone, and he didn't suddenly brake in front of anyone. Nobody is going to jump in his face in this situation. Most people aren't going to jump in Mike's face PERIOD. If these motorists cussed at Mike Tyson, it's a safe bet he started it. Need more convincing proof than the conclusions of a judge or jurors? Ok, how many times has Mike been 'provoked' by reporters before he goes on a cursing, shrieking rampage at a press conference?

PS: Pointed questions do not count as 'provocation'.

She says no. Hmmm, do you give up? Hell no. So you talk to her a bit more and get her digits. Later you give her a call and tell her you still want to get with her. She's hesitant. Then you smooth her with some "I just wanna talk" bullshit like most guys do.

This is the most plausible part of your scenario for what happened - Mike didn't take no for an answer, gives some "talk" bullshit, and invites her up.
For the record, if a girl tells me she's not interested, do I take no for an answer? Sure, I can do that. Can mike tyson take no for an answer? "Hell no" is probably a good way to put it.

At this point, only Mike and her know what happened in that room. So you can go only by the evidence and the testimony. In your scenario she turned him down and she's hesitant - it doesn't bode well for the "con artist" scenario. She won a beauty pageant, which means she got paid to look sexy, but it doesn't mean she's naturally inclined to have sex with people she doesn't want to, or that she's a golddigger.

I'm not saying Mike is a good guy or a bad guy. Merely that I think he has been railroaded a lot given the information I have seen and made some very poor decisions.

Yeah but what are you basing this railroading on? You seem more inclined to believe mike's version of events in the scenarios we've discussed, but you've given no reason why mike is especially believable/honest. Last year I read this and I can tell you that while 'railroading' might apply to tabloids and papers with weak sports writing staff, it doesn't apply to the numerous excellent analyses done by writers from the Washington Post, LA Times, Boston Globe, etc.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

You never have to fuck any woman. It's just many men see a woman that they like and try to get with her. It's human nature.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

1. Loaded/Pointed questions *are* provocation. That's why they are asked in the first place. To elicit an emotional response and therefore gain an audiences attention. I learned that in journalism classes in college. It's a basic tactic.

2. Taking stuff out of context to win an argument isn't what we are trying to establish here, so I am not gonna answer your paragraph here. It's definitely wordplay and cannot be answered correctly, if you can't ask the question correctly.

3. Just because she looks good and makes a little cash doesn't mean she doesn't have alterior motives. You can't compare $100k a year for a couple years to a several million payday. The amount was never disclosed, but reportedly it was over 10 million. The allegations of violence against his wife and the sexual harassment case against him by Robin Given's Aide made him not stand a chance.

4. You don't see any railroading? I'll cite 1 example.
Maryland Debacle. Tyson reportedly attacked to motorists without provocation. Tyson knows he can't win the case, because of his prior agressive history. So he, the 2 motorists, and the DA work out an agreement. Tyson pays off the 2 motorists, charges are dropped, he pleads no contest (which is not guilty or innocent), and no jail time will be involved. Tyson agrees and pays the 2 people, pleads no contest, and is then sentenced to prison. Hmmmm, sounds like railroading to me.

This argument will never be won by anyone, but I'll post as long as people bring up good points. I'm not perpetuating it (on purpose /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif), but I don't think Mike deserves this bashing.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

1. Loaded/Pointed questions *are* provocation. That's why they are asked in the first place. To elicit an emotional response and therefore gain an audiences attention. I learned that in journalism classes in college. It's a basic tactic.

Keyword is "emotional"... rather than physical. Tyson reacts to things by swinging. That's unacceptible. You can' t justify it no matter how good he is at beating people up in the ring. Besides, who was baiting who when Tyson strolled up to Lennox Lewis's podium 10 feet away at that press conference? Tough to explain that one as a reaction to something.

Also, while journalists are capable of being scum, some of them simply want honest answers to perfectly legitimate questions.

2. Taking stuff out of context to win an argument isn't what we are trying to establish here, so I am not gonna answer your paragraph here. It's definitely wordplay and cannot be answered correctly, if you can't ask the question correctly.

If it's such a clearcut below-the-belt debating gambit, why can't you dissect it and point out the flaws? I'm not sure which section you're referring to (take no for an answer?) but I think my point stands. The average guy can take a hint when a beautiful girls turns him down. Tyson couldn't. Goes towards the witness' credibility, right?

You can't compare $100k a year for a couple years to a several million payday. The amount was never disclosed, but reportedly it was over 10 million. The allegations of violence against his wife and the sexual harassment case against him by Robin Given's Aide made him not stand a chance.

Ever occur to you that his GUILT in committing adultery (at the very least, and probably spousal abuse as well), made him not stand a chance? Maybe the 18 year old contestant's vaginal abrasions made him not stand a chance?

As for the money, Mike Tyson doesn't wince at losing 50 or 500 grand. He needs more than a minor monetary dent if he's going to be discouraged from raping other women.

4. You don't see any railroading? I'll cite 1 example.
Maryland Debacle. Tyson reportedly attacked to motorists without provocation. Tyson knows he can't win the case, because of his prior agressive history. <snip> Hmmmm, sounds like railroading to me.

So whenever a lawyer (wisely) settles a case outside of court, it's railroading? Your argument would be sound if you had some indication that mike tyson didn't stand a chance even though he was innocent. But you have no proof or indication that Mike Tyson DIDN'T pick that fight, you sound like you're ASSUMING he's innocent based on the fact that the media picks on him. If your point is "Mike Tyson fights an uphill battle because the media picks on him, --even though he may be guilty--" ... fine, we can agree. If your argument is "he was provoked into punching those MD motorists and shouldn't have had to pay them a dime, the lawsuit was a complete farce" then we don't agree.

Anyway, a point I'd like to throw in: Maybe you consider discussing Mike Tyson's prior record inconsequential and a cheap tactic for prosecutors to drag out.... but the law in general doesn't agree with you, admitting someone's arrest record or prior offenses is a routine (and perfectly legitimate) way of building a case against a criminal. In the absence of a transcript of the event, what else is there to rely on besides

A: common sense (see the "Who's going to pick a fight with Mike Tyson over a traffic accident that isn't his fault" section) and
B: His prior record?

You can't imagine a lawyer saying "You can't admit this man's prior record because it would unfairly bias the jury against my client your honor. It'd sink my case, my client would be railroaded into a guilty conviction". You'll never hear it because it's a useless argument. It IS fair game to point out Mike's violent history, as well as every stupid thing he's said at a press conference. Can you tell me with a straight face that while Mike might say he wants to rip out Lennox Lewis' heart and eat his children, he (beyond a reasonable doubt) could not possibly have initiated a fight by saying some nasty things to someone who just rearended him?

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

Here we go again.

1. Emotional responses are often personal gambits that do lead to physical confrontations. You cannot omit that fact. Journalists and enquiring minds have been getting there asses kicked for 1000's of years for asking inappropriate or condemning questions. Tyson is not the first to lash out and definitely will not be the last. If you get too personal with someone, you had better accept the repercussions.

2. You're mixing up or deliberately augmenting saying "no" and saying "NO!". It's context. Men deal with rejection from women a lot. He tried to talk her up and she thought he was trying to con her for sex. So she said she wasn't interested. You might wuss out and say ok and move to the next chick, but most men if they like a woman (for whatever reason) they will pursue her. It's the game. So he got her to laugh, played the don, and got her number. They go out. Things get heavier than she intended (or how she had planned) and then Mike is spending 3 years in the pen. She played him.

3. Spousal Abuse was never proven. Adultery was never proven. She (the aide) won her case, because he made sexual advances toward her that she deemed inappropriate. No sex was involved. Any night of sex (especially rough sex) can lead to vaginal abrasions. It's quite a common occurence among girls who like to FUCK. It *can* be caused and is exceptionally common in rape cases, but it is *not* the only way it can happen. Anytime you lose money it means something. His "rape" case has been spoken on many times on CNN, Court TV, and MSNBC and it's always a fiasco. Why? ...simply not a lot of evidence points to Mike really having raped the girl. It seemed like a normal night of love-making turned to Fucking and she got 2nd thoughts when they were done.<shrug> You're not paying attention so I see no reason why I am even responding.

4. Once again, you fail to keep anything in context. It's the situation. If you agree to an out of court settlement for no possible jail time, take care of your end of the bargain, and then the state of Maryland fucks you in the ass. It's railroading. How fucking hard is that to see? They got his money, got publicity, and then pushed his ass back in prison. All the while they promised him that it would be settled to keep him out of jail and lower the press coverage.

Next point brought up:
I never said that using his prior criminal history or personality profile was an incorrect thing to do. Most of his decisions such as the Maryland Settlement, divorce settlement, and Given's Aide settlement were *because* of such things and he knew he would have trouble swaying a jury. Quit trying to make up shit that isn't there.

Mike's microphone antics are just that. Showing off. Poor I agree, but his attemtps at unnerving his opponent. He doesn't have the gift of gab like Ali, but he does try I suppose. His saying crazy shit like that is to intimidate his opponent. Maybe not to make them afraid, but more to think he is a lunatic and capable of anything. That is exactly why so many heavyweights will not fight him. They think he might nut up and kill them in the ring. Maybe you could buy him a writer to improve his wordplay. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

Im mean.
jesterday I murdered a rock.
Injured a stone.
Hospitalised a brick.
Im so mean I make medecine sick.

Ive done wrasslin with a whale, handcuffed lightning and put thunder in jail.
Im fast, man im fast, you wanna know fast?
Last night I switched of the light and was in my bed sleeping before the room was dark, man im fast.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

Once there was a battle there in Zaire
in Zaire
Hundred thousand people there in Zaire
in Zaire
AII those people gathered there in Zaire
in Zaire
To see the rumble in the jungle there in Zaire
in Zaire.

Came a man called Elijan in Zaire
in Zaire
With him came the superstar in Zaire
in Zaire
AII those people came from far in Zaire
in Zaire
To see the rumble in the jungle there in Zaire
in Zaire.

AII those people chanted there in Zaire
in Zaire
Seven rounds of torture there in Zaire
in Zaire
One more round and Ali's there in Zaire
in Zaire
There was great excitement everywhere in Zaire
in Zaire.

And who was the victor in the night? Elijah Mohammed's boy
Ali won the fight
the lightning struck twice in the night
First in the ring and then after the fight in Zaire
in Zaire.

 

Re: Quit with the dumb stereotyping

From When We Were Kings Soundtrack

[Wyclef]
(Come on)
Root to the fruit
More bass than Bootsy Collins
You verses me
Thats like Ali verses Foreman (a-ha)
God's act, stand back and watch
Devil's time out
Can't be timed with no swatch watch
Who I am, the black Abraham
Zunga zunga zang, yellow man, Vietnam
Add an extra bar as I spar with literature
Taking kingdoms from tsars
Winning more wars than the Moors

[Forte]
Hey, what's the deal?
I seen the Devil spar with Allah
Mathematics was the key to set my whole race free
You might debate we, a refugee
No harm hurt me
Dying, thirsty from the struggle
To my own hustle bubble
On the low, woe is me
To show the Free Bob right
The righteous Asiatic thinker
While Satan rob light
Civilised like the Molly
Burgundy, wildy rocking
Seen the fifth when Ali clocked him
John Forte will keep you locked in


[Q-Tip]
People all around
You got to recognise and witness
The Mister who swift enough to knock you out with Mic fitness
Hands blistered from holding the mics tight
Some say it's fright night
Well throw the R after the F 'Cause I'm gonna take away your breath
The bell rings and now it's just a daily operation
Yo, you saw my lubrication
You can see this occupation (The winner)
Eh, you know we're from Q-Borough
L-Booie and Clef the trainers, Prazwell promote the throw

[Lauryn Hill]
We used to bite bullets with the pig-skin casing
Now we perfect slang like a gang of street masons (uh)
Scribe check make connects
True pyramid architects (yeah)
Replace the last name with the X (X)
The man's got a God complex
But take the text and change the picture
Watch Muhammad play the messenger like Holy Muslim scriptures
Take orders from only God
Only war when it's Jihad
See Ali appears in Zaire to reconnect 400 years
But we the people dark but equal give love to such things
To the man who made the fam' remember when we were kings

Blocks on fire (Block's on fire tonight)
Fiends getting higher (uh-huh)
Robbing blue collar
(Hey yo we rob them blue collars)
Killing for a dollar (Stick 'em up)
Youths get tired (Ali ah yeah)
We're dealing with them liars (Ali ah yeah)
(We're dealing with too many liars)
From Brooklyn to Zaire (uh-huh ah yeah)
We need a ghetto Messiah (ah yeah come on)

Send me an angel in the morning, baby
Send me an angel in the morning, darling
Send me Muhammad in the morning, baby
Send me an angel in the morning, darling

[Ali Shaheed Muhammad]
Once the pen hits the pad it's danger
To this I be no stranger
Step inside the ring and I'll derange you (Come on)
I'm hearing no comments
Everyone looks dispondent
Dejected, rejected similiar to Liston
Catching lists
Beat it, sonny
My man is still the greatest in this
To hell with Frazier yappin' about that negative shit
Now listen, you can try and escape if you want to
But ask yourself, who the hell you gonna run to
Like Sade Abu you got a punch that I can sleep to
Fugees, Tribe, Busta Rhymes forever coming through

[Prazwell]
We sing Amazing Grace over two dollar plate
One roll snake eyes like Jake The Snake
Many lies put up for stakes
Wash our sins at the Great Lakes
You and I cannot see eye to eye
So therefore we cannot relate
I'm here when I make myself crystal clear
You fled to Cape Fear when I laced you in Zaire
Tussle with a lasso in the Royal Rumble
Seperate boys from men in the concrete jungle

[Busta Rhymes]
I remember when Cassius Clay flipped the script
Taking trips to Zimbabwe
Africans started calling the God Ali Bumbaye (so bwoy)
It be the God stricken, God nutrition, lightly stricken (ha)
Blow that make you feel like you was poison bitten
Ha yo I'm 'bout to blister you and your sister
Predicting every ass whipping before my fights my nigga
This be your last warning once you walk past the doorman
Ali and Foreman gonna lock ass until the morning
Marvellous finances provided by Joseph Mobutu
Special guests of honour like the Archbishop Desmond Tutu
We watched the Rumble In The Jungle
To see who be the targeted uncle to be the first to fall and fumble
Nuff blows they gettong thrown, like solid milestones
Internally shaking up niggas, imbalance your chromosones
With the force of a thousnad warriors
When I bust your ass identify me as the lord victorious

Blocks on fire (You're a star)
(Blocks on fire)
Fiends getting higher (You're a star)
Robbing blue collar (You're a star)
(Yeah rob them blue collars)
Killing for a dollar (You're a star)
Youths get tired (You're a star)
(Youths getting tired)
We're dealing with them liars (You're a star)
(We're dealing with too many liars)
From Brooklyn to Zaire (You're a star)
We need a ghetto Messiah

 

Now lets try Karla Homolka!

Wow. Everyone must be asleep. I'm suprised you got away with that, fish. At any rate, I'd say your posts make as much sense as any in the last little bit.

But Iron Mike is tiring me. Like Replicant said, he'll just keep coming no matter how compelling the evidence is soooo....

Karla Homolka aided her husband in the rape and murder of three girls (including her baby sister) and then plea bargained her to two 10 year terms (to be served consecutively) in jail before video evidence of her complicity was aired. Her statuatory release date is coming up in June 2005.

My original feelings were that she should never get out of maximum security (As opposed to the women's correctional facility she currently resides in) but now, in light of this thread, I have to wonder.

Replicant, you're good at defending trash, tell us how Karla has been manipulated by the press and railroaded into her sentencing terms. She might even have been provoked into at least two of her rapes or had a reading disability that justifies (or even exonerates) her actions.

GE

 

Re: Now lets try Karla Homolka!

Haha, you're still a gimp. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

Re: Now lets try Karla Homolka!

Paul Bernardo was a sick fuck and Karla Homolka was a witless whore.