Is Aoi playable with only reversals and grapples?

VF2011 raises interesting discussions. Sticky.

 

Tai Boku Taoshi doesn't do more damage than Kirie Otoshi since Kirie Otoshi has a guaranteed follow up (down attack). The guaranteed down attack raises the total damage to 67. Its damage exceeds Tai Boku Taoshi. Waki Garami can be escaped mid way just like Chou Garami. Breaking one over the other is in reference to FS. I explained every direction to show the efficiency of each one and why he shouldn't rely on grabs alone so it's up to him how to use it against others.

 

I'm pretty sure it's still guaranteed. I even saw some successful ground throws attempts. In short, it seems that it's still like in vanilla.

 

Reversals are best utilized when they're effectively played off pokes and other quick strikes. As an Aoi player, if I don't sell the threat to my opponent of using pokes to engage in quick-strike exchanges before attempting any reversals, then I expect to set myself up to either get floated immediately with a launcher move or get thrown and tossed around like a rag doll. Regardless of outcome, both scenarios present big-time lose-lose situations for Aoi that would indeed render her unplayable in that fashion.

I agree with others stating the most damaging kind of attacks from Aoi comes from combos... most of which has already been brought up by Tiripsem.

With that said, I'm a grapple/throw oriented Aoi player as I find myself more comfortable playing that style. However, I also understand I have to use pokes and other crafty tactics in order to keep my opponent off-balance with any attack strategy I want to employ.

Kruza

 

New (and maybe some more experienced) Aoi players should note that you have to delay the down attack after her 270 back throw a little bit. If you don't do this, the down attack is NOT guaranteed. The easiest way to do this consistently is to input 443p instead of just 3p, that's all it takes for it to become guaranteed.

I think this has to do with her being off-axis after the throw. I know Lau has this after his back-to-wall 4 throw, where his down attack will just whiff if you don't do a little dash first.

 

It may be what Krye said about the 44 required to make the down attack guaranteed. The Aoi player may have screwed the input. Or the victim had some really good struggling ability.
I have seen a lot of FS Aoi videos, and I would have noticed if a down attack wasn't free anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8vbJb4MsBw
5th round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIICM9AVSwM
2nd round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTYAo3Gh8g
4th round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj6NbvCNa88
2nd round

You didn't see really far..


Anyway, we're talking about VF5, not FS, and down attack free after 2684P+G.

 

Interesting. I always input to ensure the down attack. Aoi is off axis after the throw like you said. Inputting or will ensure the down attack.

 

Reversals are best used mainly if your opponent is being predictable. Even then she has other things like her Tenchi stance and sabakis. I mainly play my Aoi as an aggressive mix up character

 

Making use of her cancels comes in handy :3