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With all due respect spotlite, I don't understand why is sweeps low risk high reward? typically the risk is 2 to 3 times higher than the reward. I think most people would agree is highrisk lowreward. If your friend is being owned by multiple sweeps, perhaps you should tell him to defend low instead of telling the other dude to stop doing it?
another point with all due rspect, I don't think most us players are obsessed of "who is the best in usa", a few are, but definitely not the majority. What we do want is to improve, and calling something you can't deal with "cheap" doesn't help your improvement. It's basically saying.. well I can't deal with your shit, so cut it out. that's lame...eventually, you'll be saying, soandso is cheap so we ain't playing with him. that's even lamer... and we all know it happens.
Over here Jerky would do 50 sweeps in a row, and you know what! It's only sweeter when I block one and send his bean stinking mexican ass back to the end of the line.

 

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on remarking about 3 full sweep finishers, we all know that brian is sidestep happy, -> sidestep dragon cannon happy, and most people in our group just dont like to block low. Dragon cannon easily picks me off the floor no matter how low i get , so even getting that low + the range of the dragon cannon is at risk (attack is possible, shou style back dash DC seems applicable here). Ive seen dragon cannon pick off my sweeps at times because sweep EXEs are horrid. So if anything 3 sweeps in a row in your terms is a nitaku type situation for me, where at any point could of been it could of been reversed to a DC combo easily in the 60 point range.

Backdashing is all part of leifeis game in my philosophy, Lei Feis strong point is his control of spacing, and then rushing down once at advantage. His close range game as I explained many times is extremely weak. (-1 on blocked jab vs +1 everyone else, but shun- cmon). Given the fact that he's not even +8 on MC jab, removes any jab throw game mixups, (jab elbow , jab throw anyone?). Given that you like to super jab in a lot of mdis situations, it forces me into a low risk game, to force the exes to stay under the super jab. So really staying distanced with leifei vs staying close, the answer is obvious. Watch most japanese leifei play, it seems to be the exact same sort of situation.

When you talk about play to win style, Winning can only happen by exploiting weakness. You can only exploit weakness by adapting and detecting patterns. It may seem like cheese, but I do adapt according to players game. Theres many of times i go into [IN] stance just to see a whiffed jab by many players, even though i guessed the situation correctly (some people like to super jab or low jab im mdis situations) IN stance doesnt always catch the range of the jab. and people like sean who like to complain about IN stance, literally im just standing there, there are ways around it.

"it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game"? which is exactly. How i play the game is not how you play the game. My goals are to detect patterns and habits, and fill up my defensive weakpoints in any given situation. LeiFei cant with with overwhelming speed, and cant cover 1/3 of the screen in 12 frames. Once i cover every defensive aspect maybe, i can push the offensive front more, but even on offense i seemed to be called cheap. Ive seen you shake your head many of times on FF,P -FFFFP, FF PG minor mixup games.

"No fun" is all perspective based. I consider Minami boring as shit, yet some people enjoy his play style. Its all the aspect of which part of the game you are looking at. Given that i dont even have a full year of VF under me, I guess i should be happy to be called cheap instead of scrub, which means im holding my own in one way or another. If anything, i would like to see you play leifei and what would be your optimal offensive fighting style, ever since i tinkered with some akira, ive talked less trash about him. Anyways see you next friday maybe i can see your leifei play style /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

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lol...this is damn great /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

by the way I call Alex Cheap as in
Cheapbita/ Cheesebita because its funny as all hell... plus he hates it /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

but everyone needs to just calm down....because....
"Sean is the greatest"

gotta love it !! /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

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Willy: did you see this:

Alex said: "I wish someday someone would explain to me what "CHEAP" is. Or how my playstyle is "AGGRAVATING". Anyone care to explain? because cheap is such a general word especially in the world of VF"

Alex has also asked this question many times in front of me, after Sean or myself have complained (jokingly) about his style. This is why I wrote this. ALEX ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN, so I explained why I would make those comments. Alex is a good player, I never said he wasn't, and I'm not trying to take anything away from him, he's beaten me plenty of times. The statements I made in the last paragraph weren't aimed at Alex (IE saying in private someone's no fun).

Shang: we talked about most of this stuff on VF home, my point about sweeps was that while they are really counterable, a lot of the time they hit, people don't "yomi" guard them much, and they're rarely countered for full damage (although they are really punishable). I know that it's lame to complain that something's "cheap" rather than adapting to it. But, in this case, I wanted to talk to Alex more about his VF playing in general than specific things being "cheap".

Alex: You asked someone to explain, I did, and as usual you weren't interested in what I had to say, so I don't know why you ask, Alex? from now on, I'll have to conclude that you aren't interested in what I have to say when you ask me something.

All your points are based around Lei playing, but no matter if you use Jacky, Goh, Jeffry etc your playing style is basically the same. Every time I try to say anything about the way you play VF, you just start rapid firing all this evidence about how Lei is weak, and you have no choice but to play in the style that you do. But, I'm not talking about Lei, I'm talking about your style, the choices you make when you play this videogame with your friends.

All this came up once before, earlier in this thread:

http://virtuafighter.com/versuscity/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=79292&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=10&vc=1

here, I wrote:

"(I've been thinking about it for a few weeks, and I KNOW you guys will get stronger faster if you learn to fight close a little more. It's not even like anyone's playing really true, hardcore machi (although Sean is getting close)"

anyone notice how Sean's style has TOTALLY changed since then? (not suggesting this is thanks to me, just that Sean has grown away from his previous machi-heavy style).

also, I'd like to refer to these old comments from andy:

"You new guys can more than stand your own with us old guys (27+), and your instincts for your primary characters should be well-established. Now, it seems that machi style has become instinctive for some of you. Don't think that Bryan and I are saying, "You guys have to play like us!" All of the Japanese players Bryan mentioned have a distinct style, without excessive backdashing. Also, I think that we both have started to notice bad patterns that comes from using a style that seems to "work." And, I think that playing more in-your-face is more fun, with matches that are faster paced and more hectic and have a greater variety of moves."

This still rings true!

my real point is this: even if you beat me every time with the style you use now, I KNOW that you can play better than your current level. Win or Loose is irrelevant, what people remember in the end is having fun with their friends, seeing somethin exciting or cool, the game is just a medium for people's brains to interact.

if we sit down and play, and you win 5 times, then we play again, and I win 5 times; I didn't have any more fun winning than I did loosing. If you tell me "Bryan, it's not fun to play with you, I'm bored with fighting your Akira. Do something different or play another character."; I'm going to take it to heart. Even if just one person says that, I'll listen.

Joon & Wes started calling you "CheapieTa", not me. Sean is also vocal about you playing "cheap". To me, this is our way of saying "c'mon, I know you're got something more interesting in you than that"; but, I can't speak for other people. Even when we played DOA2, I saw the same style.

So, you can open up to what myself and others are trying to tell you, or you can just ignore it, which seems like what you want to do. Remember, you asked!

Bryan

 

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Well if you noticed me playing the same style in DOA2, its basically apparent that it is a style that is definitively me. Its not something thats gonna change anytime soon, as it has been built up over the years through various fighting games.

About defending leifei, thats the only character i defend for a close range game. I never said jacky, goh, jeffry were weak in that format, maybe i complained about goh's range a little bit, but jacky and jeff i never said a word.

Like you said CHEAP play is low risk - high return, you never really gave out a situation other than the 3 sweeps in row, which i explained is more of a high risk low return situation. Sweeps dont do that much damage. Only in LA where sidestepping takes priority over majority of defensive situation do sweeps become a low risk high return situation. Like i said before adapt and exploit. This is one the reasons i liked watching and playing Neo Tower, as this was his whole philosophy also. No one called neo tower cheap at EVO2k3 finals when he owned mad dog jin with b-f-KG every time he knew MDJ was going to sidestep. There was atleast 4-5 in one round. What I believe to be cheap is 50/50 guessing games to win a whole match. Like lions F-KG, D-KG, Shuns KG, D-K or even the goh i called cheap D/U-PK, DF+P. I really dont try to get in the habit of offensive patterns in my play style and try to change my flow charts as much as possible as fast as possible, but the spacing game will remain the same. Sun Tsu art of war "he who controls the terrain controls the war?" no? In akiras case he can own close range and long range, not all characters have that ability. Have you ever seen a long range goh?

It isnt that im not listening bryan, its just i havent gotten a definitive answer from anyone yet. And as for fighting closer, I dont know how many times i have to defend this does not work for leifei. Its awesome for Jacky and Goh, but leifei gets owned. Untill i see some close range "effective" leifei play, i doubt ill change my mind anytime soon. Like i explained in my previous post, the use of jab/super jab followed by SDE, throw or even dblpalm in mdis forces me into a low risk, high return situation when fighting close against akira. If i dont i get owned by speed and power, akiras strong points. I would call that a cheap 50/50% guessing game if the execution of it wasnt so hard.

I guess one reason people just dont like fighting leifei is that he doesnt fight like a conventional fighting game character. People have to change entire flowcharts and play style for one character in a roster of 15. Anyways like i said before, i dont even have a full year of VF under me and im still learning the fundamentals of play. My playstyle cant change untill i completely covered the fundamentals or maybe japan will change all that - who knows?

btw sean still plays super machi against me and sean does say he doesnt think my style is machi at all /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif. Only joon called me cheapita, because i always finished rounds with kage d+k or ff PKG, back when i used to play kage. Then LPC brian just started shouting it all over the place. If anything from joon its just an evolved joke from the situation of those days, wess hasnt called me that once yet =P.

some people on vfdc are taking this thread waaaay too seriously . . . /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

oh extra note, i dont think wess and joon will make it this coming friday, joon said hes opening up a coffee shop next week, and he said wess probably couldnt make it. Ill try calling wess later in the week to see if thats true.

 

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Hey Alex, Your Sig "Alright, we should make hard this game for you! Wait our team!!". Dude, I would go over it carefully if I was you since it needs some corrections.

And I'd thought my grammar and typing was bad. Oh, no wonder you're still a student. Lastly you should just admit that you're cheap, it will save Spotlite so much time and effort in trying to convince you. Poor Bryan, brother you're just too nice, hehehe.

 

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LOL that quote I took from this japanese doujin fighting game website. The engrish was too funny, and i thought it would apply well with a team motto. Glad you enjoyed it. Good thing im not an english major huh ?/versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Lastly I find being called cheap an insult- without clear justifications to what im doing that is cheap. Thats why i want to know why im being called that. Previous fighting games I have never heard it. Sean and Bryan (akira players) call me cheap, Chanchai called me aggravating. Hat brian doesnt think i play cheap at all. Wolf brian never counts. And really i havent heard it from anyone else. So basically im the target of akira players.

 

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Dude, Alex's sig rocks.

YAY DRAMA!

Friday is going to be something else.

Looking forward to playing everyone (including Alex).


P.S. Alex, you asked about why people call you cheap, Spotlite took a lot of thought and gave you an incredibly detailed answer. You could have said "Oh. OK, thanks - now I see what you mean." You decided to defend your play style instead.

He wasn't attacking you.

You say people take you way too seriously. I joke with you about that. Think of it this way - you make enough impact in our community to warrant a thought out, serious answer to a difficult question. I think that's pretty cool.

Would you rather people didn't take you seriously?

 

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Alex says:
"Wolf brian never counts"

hmmmmm...ummmmm...?

"SO WHAT !! "

I own your team....or should I beat the entire so-called Tokyo Mafia again by myself /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

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I think you're cheat too by the way since I'm a Akira player. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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My leifei confuse good bullshit for you. Lets have good battle now one day to future!

ok me and bryan talked VF theory over on irc. . . i still dont know why people are making this out to be a war -.-;;

 

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because it comes across that way...


Hey smurf lets start are own drama...

I HATE SMURFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... ok now you go /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

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You're lucky than since I'm the only smurf. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Besides, if you want real Cheap VF play and Drama come to the East Coast. West coast got nothing but a bunch of pretty VF boys, lol.

 

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Yo Alex...

Its Tick(I jus registered..usually never go on but i m bored..so wat the hell)..anywayz thanks for havin me over on last min. notice..its too bad we didnt get to play against each other(b/c andy n spotlite were winning all the time) also Thank u spotlite for actually meetin up w/ me @ alex's...I had alot of fun playin w/ u peepz... also sorry i had to leave a bit early..had to catch the plane the next morning..

anywayz this discussion about ur gameplay is mad funny /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif...well i hope to see u guys again when i come back from asia

 

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[ QUOTE ]
LPC73 said:

Alex says:
"Wolf brian never counts"

hmmmmm...ummmmm...?

"SO WHAT !! "

I own your team....or should I beat the entire so-called Tokyo Mafia again by myself /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

AGAIN? Heh, that would mean you have beaten them before. I don't recall that ever happening. /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

"Go back to school."

 

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Plague:

There is a reason why they are not bringing that part up /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

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maybe because it doesnt exist !!
HAHA FOOL YOU!!

yo ticky i forgot you give you my aim name. its the same as this one.

gribblys crew been pretty quiet though . . . . sneeeakyyy . . .

 

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you seem to forget that night at Brian's house...oh well ...if I were you I would forget about that to /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

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you mean the night you fell asleep and dreamed about seabiscuit?

 

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yeah one of those nights..not one of those where I actually work to make a living