Homosexuality and Gay Marriage

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Mirage said:
That would be a nightmare.

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lol yeah. I wouldn't mind having milla j and tyra banks as my mommies!

 

As human beings, homosexual people should have the right to adopt just like other people.

There are plenty of good old fashioned marriages that created horrible kids. It doesn't take a gay family to make a bad kid.

I understand that with school and peers, things will be difficult for the kid at first. However, if there's a lot of people who start adopting, they'll be a lot of kids eventually. A few of them will be big enough to defend themselves =P

 

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As human beings, homosexual people should have the right to adopt just like other people.

There are plenty of good old fashioned marriages that created horrible kids. It doesn't take a gay family to make a bad kid.

I understand that with school and peers, things will be difficult for the kid at first. However, if there's a lot of people who start adopting, they'll be a lot of kids eventually. A few of them will be big enough to defend themselves =P

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Their rights? Hello? What about kid's right? Let's take me as an example, do you think the "me 20 years ago" should go though what I consider a nightmare that would last more than 10 years just to give homosexual people the "rights"? That's BS.

Also how the kids got looked down is only part of it, I can't stand to have 2 homosexual men( or women) to be my parents even if I am not being looked down.

"There are plenty of good old fashioned marriages that created horrible kids."
this has nothing to do with the topic. You can't use "A can be bad" to prove "B is good". Plus it's not about horribe kids, I was talking about kids' feeling.

 

Mirage : In all seriousness I think thats ridiculous. Are you saying that all the hundreds of thousands of children who are orphan system would rather have no home at all rather than a gay home.

Kids and teens should be given the right to choose. I would think most kids able to comprehend their situation would choose a gay home over no home, fuck what people think about them. (Here is your ammo) I'm not an orphan though.

Gays should have the right, kids should have a choice.

As for children who can't comprehend why he or she hast two mommies/daddies who gives a flying fuck. In 10 or 15 years gay moms and dads should be common place. That is unless the republican right or christian right gets their way. And whenever that happens things just tend to go B-A-D

 

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Mirage : In all seriousness I think thats ridiculous. Are you saying that all the hundreds of thousands of children who are orphan system would rather have no home at all rather than a gay home.

Kids and teens should be given the right to choose. I would think most kids able to comprehend their situation would choose a gay home over no home, fuck what people think about them. (Here is your ammo) I'm not an orphan though.

Gays should have the right, kids should have a choice.

As for children who can't comprehend why he or she hast two mommies/daddies who gives a flying fuck. In 10 or 15 years gay moms and dads should be common place. That is unless the republican right or christian right gets their way. And whenever that happens things just tend to go B-A-D

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Well Teens are fine, they know what life they choose, but I don't think think a 3 year old kid can choose for himself/herself.

 

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Their rights? Hello? What about kid's right? Let's take me as an example, do you think the "me 20 years ago" should go though what I consider a nightmare that would last more than 10 years just to give homosexual people the "rights"? That's BS.

Also how the kids got looked down is only part of it, I can't stand to have 2 homosexual men( or women) to be my parents even if I am not being looked down.

"There are plenty of good old fashioned marriages that created horrible kids."
this has nothing to do with the topic. You can't use "A can be bad" to prove "B is good". Plus it's not about horribe kids, I was talking about kids' feeling.

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This whole argument is ass. What about the feelings of poor children? Should someone who isn't well-off be barred from having children because of how the child might feel being poor? What about the child of a garbage collector? Dad makes a good living but billy might get taunted about being a trash man's son so lets spare the possible discomfort of potential offspring by just making the notion illegal.

If you can't fathom having two parents love you that share the exact same sex chromosone then so be it, back out and look away. No one will miss you.

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Their rights? Hello? What about kid's right? Let's take me as an example, do you think the "me 20 years ago" should go though what I consider a nightmare that would last more than 10 years just to give homosexual people the "rights"? That's BS.

Also how the kids got looked down is only part of it, I can't stand to have 2 homosexual men( or women) to be my parents even if I am not being looked down.

"There are plenty of good old fashioned marriages that created horrible kids."
this has nothing to do with the topic. You can't use "A can be bad" to prove "B is good". Plus it's not about horribe kids, I was talking about kids' feeling.

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This whole argument is ass. What about the feelings of poor children? Should someone who isn't well-off be barred from having children because of how the child might feel being poor? What about the child of a garbage collector? Dad makes a good living but billy might get taunted about being a trash man's son so lets spare the possible discomfort of potential offspring by just making the notion illegal.

If you can't fathom having two parents love you that share the exact same sex chromosone then so be it, back out and look away. No one will miss you.

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Actually his arguments make sense, I mean a kid being raised by two parents of the same sex is completely unnatural. I mean, you don't even see it in nature do you?

I vote, that after we stop gays from adopting (becuase after all, we know that gay people only raise gays, just as straight people only raise straight people), we stop blacks from adopting anyone but blacks, becuase that's unnatural.

Think about it, if gays can't raise straight kids, then why are blacks allowed to raise white kids..it's the same concept.

Also, if anyone says that being gay is against god and against nature then consider that the god also makes creationism and the big band theory blasphemy (is the world flat still people?), and there are gay (and lesbian) animals in nature..should we stop them from existing as well?

Once gay marriage gets banned...I vote we have a constituional ban on interracial marriage. I don't want fags marrying other fags just like I don't want niggers, spics, or gooks marrying either. I don't understand why people who vote against gay marriage don't go after interracial marriage.

Also, imagine if we had a gay predisent who outlawed straight marriage. Anyone who is outraged (who is against gay marriage) is a god damn hypocrite.

 

I don't think gender and sexual orientation are related to being a good, loving parent to your children.

You come off so strongly about all this. it's like you're worried someone will replace your parents with a homosexual couple. I realize something like that could concern you. But I'm not sure why you're so worried about other people having gay parents. It's not your business.

If you ever meet someone with gay parents, I hope you don't give them a bad time about it.

 

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If you ever meet someone with gay parents, I hope you don't give them a bad time about it.

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You can be sure I will not, I am no such asshole.


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EmpNovA said:

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GodEater said:

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Their rights? Hello? What about kid's right? Let's take me as an example, do you think the "me 20 years ago" should go though what I consider a nightmare that would last more than 10 years just to give homosexual people the "rights"? That's BS.

Also how the kids got looked down is only part of it, I can't stand to have 2 homosexual men( or women) to be my parents even if I am not being looked down.

"There are plenty of good old fashioned marriages that created horrible kids."
this has nothing to do with the topic. You can't use "A can be bad" to prove "B is good". Plus it's not about horribe kids, I was talking about kids' feeling.

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This whole argument is ass. What about the feelings of poor children? Should someone who isn't well-off be barred from having children because of how the child might feel being poor? What about the child of a garbage collector? Dad makes a good living but billy might get taunted about being a trash man's son so lets spare the possible discomfort of potential offspring by just making the notion illegal.

If you can't fathom having two parents love you that share the exact same sex chromosone then so be it, back out and look away. No one will miss you.

GE

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Actually his arguments make sense, I mean a kid being raised by two parents of the same sex is completely unnatural. I mean, you don't even see it in nature do you?

I vote, that after we stop gays from adopting (becuase after all, we know that gay people only raise gays, just as straight people only raise straight people), we stop blacks from adopting anyone but blacks, becuase that's unnatural.

Think about it, if gays can't raise straight kids, then why are blacks allowed to raise white kids..it's the same concept.

Also, if anyone says that being gay is against god and against nature then consider that the god also makes creationism and the big band theory blasphemy (is the world flat still people?), and there are gay (and lesbian) animals in nature..should we stop them from existing as well?

Once gay marriage gets banned...I vote we have a constituional ban on interracial marriage. I don't want fags marrying other fags just like I don't want niggers, spics, or gooks marrying either. I don't understand why people who vote against gay marriage don't go after interracial marriage.

Also, imagine if we had a gay predisent who outlawed straight marriage. Anyone who is outraged (who is against gay marriage) is a god damn hypocrite.

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Sorry but I HAVE NOTHING AGAINEST GAY MRRIAGE!!! I think I made that clear in my first post.

One more point and I will quit this topic, IMO gays are unnatural and there are many people think the same way, but even I think they are unnatural I would still support Gay Marriage, because it's their affair, noon should force their onw idea on others.

However I don't think they should be encuraged too, "normal people" are the reason human race exist today, without them gays won't even exist.

Now on topic of different race, well one balck man and one white woman(or other way around) can give birth to a child, two man or two woman can't. it's the fact!!! So I think gays are unnatural, and being raised in such an envirement may have some effect on kids,(don't ask me what they are because I don't know) I just think we should not try to mess with our future. And if you get my point I said was gay couple not just two men or two women. If you are raised by your mother and aunt, that's an different stroy, although it's always better to be rasied by both male and female parents.

Now we have talked about the ideas you think is fine and I disagree, here is something I always what to talk about when I see Gay Marriage.

WHY brother and sister can not marry!!! Even gays can marry now why brother and sister can't? I don't see nothing wrong with it, it can't be more unnatural than gays, sure they are very likely to give birth to a child with some problems, but gays can't even give birth to a child and they can marry now, why brother and sister still can't? Maybe we should stop them from having baby until technology can solve this problem, but why they can't marry?

THIS IS NOT flame or scram, I am very serious about this brother and sister marry thing, I hope you take it seriously too.

 

What about having female/male role models? We're a product of our environment so is it possible that a boy growing up with female parents will not have a clear male role model? Or if his parents are male than would the lack of a female role model be less beneficial than having both male and female parents?

 

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Mirage said:

Sorry but I HAVE NOTHING AGAINEST GAY MRRIAGE!!! I think I made that clear in my first post.

One more point and I will quit this topic, IMO gays are unnatural and there are many people think the same way, but even I think they are unnatural I would still support Gay Marriage, because it's their affair, noon should force their onw idea on others.

However I don't think they should be encuraged too, "normal people" are the reason human race exist today, without them gays won't even exist.

Now on topic of different race, well one balck man and one white woman(or other way around) can give birth to a child, two man or two woman can't. it's the fact!!! So I think gays are unnatural, and being raised in such an envirement may have some effect on kids,(don't ask me what they are because I don't know) I just think we should not try to mess with our future. And if you get my point I said was gay couple not just two men or two women. If you are raised by your mother and aunt, that's an different stroy, although it's always better to be rasied by both male and female parents.

Now we have talked about the ideas you think is fine and I disagree, here is something I always what to talk about when I see Gay Marriage.

WHY brother and sister can not marry!!! Even gays can marry now why brother and sister can't? I don't see nothing wrong with it, it can't be more unnatural than gays, sure they are very likely to give birth to a child with some problems, but gays can't even give birth to a child and they can marry now, why brother and sister still can't? Maybe we should stop them from having baby until technology can solve this problem, but why they can't marry?

THIS IS NOT flame or scram, I am very serious about this brother and sister marry thing, I hope you take it seriously too.

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First of all, it's not an opinion if being gay is natural or not, that's the most absurd thing I have ever heard, and one of the biggest factors that deters the arguments about Gay Marriage.

We see homosexual and bisexual animals in nature with no outside influence from societies. If that doesn't make it natural I don't know what the fuck does..end of story.

"and being raised in such an envirement may have some effect on kids,(don't ask me what they are because I don't know)"
Being raised in a divorced environment is also different, are you saying that parents can only be raised in a single type of environment? What if when I was 12 both of my parents died in a plane accident and I was raised by my uncle and aunt, if they aren't my real parents does that make it different and unnatural? What if a black child is adopted by two white parents?

Lastly, there are more kids in adoption centers than are being adopted. Couples that contain two male homosexuals are capable of bringing poverished children out of poverty and raising them in an environment free of starvation and death...is it worth it to deny children of an existence becuase you are a homophobe?

Also, lesbian couples are fully capable of getting pregnant, either by hooking up with a male who carries active semen (perhaps bisexuals are willing to have sex with males to have children), or given the abilities of modern science, why not have lesbians become artificially inseminated which would allow them to have kids.

And third of all, go fuck yourself if you think children have anything to do with this.

Do all gay couples have to be capable of having kids? What about straight couples who won't have kids or are not capable, should they be allowed to get married just becuase they can't have kids?

Some people are born black, some are born without arms or legs, some people are born along side twins, and some people are born gay...end of story. If you can't accept this, get the fuck out of my country you despicable Nazi fuck.

Anyone who is against gay marriage is always doing so out of either religious reasons or they are homophobic. If you truly understand the concepts introduced by modern science then you should know full well that being gay is natural.

And lastly, even if being gay is not natural, this country was founded by people who wanted to be free....but on a huge double standard.

After all, Washington wanted freedom but at the same time he wanted to enslave the niggers. Will we allow that same double standard to survive today?

Why is it that Jenna Jameson banging some other hot chick is acceptable by most guys..but anal sex between two consenting male adults is forbidden? Double standard, I think so.

I'm really sick of people even having to debate this. Take a look at Spain, a country with less sexual perversion than America allowing gay marriage...is that a sign of the times here...hell fucking yes!

*damn I get so pissed off having to talk about this subject, sorry if I offended anyone with my excessive language if you get offended by that stuff*

 

I am here to talk, not to argue, I want to exchange thoughts with others, not argue to win, and I think you are already on to the I am going to argue to win. I am not going to agure with you but just point out something.



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Lastly, there are more kids in adoption centers than are being adopted. Couples that contain two male homosexuals are capable of bringing poverished children out of poverty and raising them in an environment free of starvation and death...is it worth it to deny children of an existence becuase you are a homophobe?"

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Hi, I didn't know children in US adoption centers are being starvaed to death, maybe in some third world country, but not in US, and this whole topic is about US.
"deny children of an existence " are you joking or what? I know the life in adoption center is not good, but you are going to far for seek of wining this argument I don't think we can really talk anymore on this topic, you are a little to hot headed and need cool down a little.

But it's fun to talk to someone so devoted on topic, can I hear your thoughts on the brother and sister marry thing I posted in my last post? Since it's off-tipoc, please PM if you want. I might make a topic later.

 

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Lastly, there are more kids in adoption centers than are being adopted. Couples that contain two male homosexuals are capable of bringing poverished children out of poverty and raising them in an environment free of starvation and death...is it worth it to deny children of an existence becuase you are a homophobe?"

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Hi, I didn't know children in US adoption centers are being starvaed to death, maybe in some third world country, but not in US, and this whole topic is about US.
"deny children of an existence " are you joking or what? I know the life in adoption center is not good, but you are going to far for seek of wining this argument I don't think we can really talk anymore on this topic, you are a little to hot headed and need cool down a little.


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You do know that people are allowed to adopt from places not just in the US...right...which is what I was referring to before?

I don't think brothers and sisters, or fathers and daughters should be able to have sex in order to make children becuase it does create birth complications that can be easily avoided by obviously not engaging in unprotected sexual activities.

If you really want to marry your mother or sister..I don't really know how I feel about that becuase I don't give it much honest thought. But I don't see how if you are for incestual relationships you are against homosexual ones.
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Lastly, I was never really into or even cared about gay marriage, nor do I know anyone at all (on a personal level) who's even affected by it constitutionally.

The only reason I'm fanatical about it, is that I loathe the Christian Right in the US so much that I do anything to bring them down...and I hate Bush (the president har har).

 

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Mirage said:
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Lastly, there are more kids in adoption centers than are being adopted. Couples that contain two male homosexuals are capable of bringing poverished children out of poverty and raising them in an environment free of starvation and death...is it worth it to deny children of an existence becuase you are a homophobe?"

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Hi, I didn't know children in US adoption centers are being starvaed to death, maybe in some third world country, but not in US, and this whole topic is about US.
"deny children of an existence " are you joking or what? I know the life in adoption center is not good, but you are going to far for seek of wining this argument I don't think we can really talk anymore on this topic, you are a little to hot headed and need cool down a little.


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You do know that people are allowed to adopt from places not just in the US...right...which is what I was referring to before?

I don't think brothers and sisters, or fathers and daughters should be able to have sex in order to make children becuase it does create birth complications that can be easily avoided by obviously not engaging in unprotected sexual activities.

If you really want to marry your mother or sister..I don't really know how I feel about that becuase I don't give it much honest thought. But I don't see how if you are for incestual relationships you are against homosexual ones.
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Lastly, I was never really into or even cared about gay marriage, nor do I know anyone at all (on a personal level) who's even affected by it constitutionally.

The only reason I'm fanatical about it, is that I loathe the Christian Right in the US so much that I do anything to bring them down...and I hate Bush (the president har har).

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Mr. EmpNovA, CAN YOU PLEASE READ MY POST? I said I have nothing againest gay marriage, or even support them, yet you still say "you are against homosexual ones"

On to the topic of other country, I really don't know, I have only lived in US and China for a long time, and in China if a homosexual couple want to adopt a child they will be told that they can go hell now. And I am not joking, different country has different moral standard, different ideas... I really don't know how this thing will work out.

 

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Mr. EmpNovA, CAN YOU PLEASE READ MY POST? I said I have nothing againest gay marriage, or even support them, yet you still say "you are against homosexual ones"

On to the topic of other country, I really don't know, I have only lived in US and China for a long time, and in China if a homosexual couple want to adopt a child they will be told that they can go hell now. And I am not joking, different country has different moral standard, different ideas... I really don't know how this thing will work out.

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First of all I am not catering my posts specifically to you when I write them, I could really careless of who I am replying to on this particular thread. Just like you, I am voicing my opinion through my posts in order to express my opinion to others. It seems as though I may be directing my posts (and anger?) towards you, merely becuase I hit the reply button next to your name.

If you wanna talk about China, I'm actually not against banning gay marriage in China..you know why? Because the people who run Chinese government have the decency to at least be consistent with their political history..which is something most US citizens are incapable of recognizing. The same country where they banned much of the most innovative creation of men I have ever seen (the internet) should of course attempt to ban homosexuals from doing the same things as gays, it only fits in with their usual political patterns of the state.

But this should never be the case with the US, unless it's in cases of extreme change. The 13th amendment shattered some of the most significant foundations of underlying social tensions within America that wasn't addressed under law. It took a civil war to allow African Americans to become citizens, get married, vote..what will it take for homosexuals?

Our government (like I already mentioned in another post) was founded on the double standard...slave holders who wanted freedom (does it get more ironic?).

I wrote a couple articles about the reason that America's struggle for freedom was a true revolution, and do you know why we call it a revolution?

Not becuase we revolted, but becuase their is a political and social cycle that repeats itself throughout our history. A revolution if you will.

It took years for African Americans, then women...how long will it take for homosexuals to become fully recognized under law, how long will we let the government subject us to the Christian Religious Right?

I'm telling you, being gay whether it's being born that way, or by choice, is nothing that should ever be discriminated against..especially by law.

We have people who cry every day that our president desires to ruin the very foundations of our documented history by creating an amendment that contradicts everything our American ancestors have stood for.

The arguments against Gay Marriage, Abortion rights, and censorship (don't get me started about the FCC...ugh) are all scams by the white male christian right to get people under their rule. Break the cycle of this and vote Bush out, even if Kerry is the lesser of two evils we know he's willing to change his political ideas to suit the people.

Under Bush look what has happened, he's more worried about invading people's privacy of their bedrooms than saving our troop in Iraq...does anyone who's reading this think that those soldiers that are dying want to fight for a ban on stem cell research, a ban on gay marriage, and a ban on pornography and more censorship and government interference in our lives.

Our president is making jokes about WMD while our troops rot in the desert. Fuck Bush and his pathetic dynasty of terror...you think Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist..what do you think the white house is doing.

Bin Laden didn't take away Stem Cell research, Bin Laden doen't have corporate ties to companies that censor Howard Stern becuase he doesn't promote the War with Iraq.

Vote Bush out, and then see what we can get done with this country. Including full support for gay marriage.

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If you wanna talk about China, I'm actually not against banning gay marriage in China..you know why? Because the people who run Chinese government have the decency to at least be consistent with their political history..which is something most US citizens are incapable of recognizing. The same country where they banned much of the most innovative creation of men I have ever seen (the internet) should of course attempt to ban homosexuals from doing the same things as gays, it only fits in with their usual political patterns of the state.

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Which country banned internet? LOL you have no idea about how internet works in China, first of, very few things are banned, and even these banned people find a way to get around. Also in some way people's rights are better protect in China, last year, Bejing Chaoyoung middle level people's court order the company to give back a player all his virtal items in a online game called "red moon" And we all know your virtal items are not protected by law in US.
Then on the Gay marriage, first of ban is not the right word, it's was never allowed, how can you ban it? As much as you and I think Gay marriage is fine, Many people in China still think it's really really bad, it's not the goverment, but Most Chinese people don't want them.

 

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If you wanna talk about China, I'm actually not against banning gay marriage in China..you know why? Because the people who run Chinese government have the decency to at least be consistent with their political history..which is something most US citizens are incapable of recognizing. The same country where they banned much of the most innovative creation of men I have ever seen (the internet) should of course attempt to ban homosexuals from doing the same things as gays, it only fits in with their usual political patterns of the state.

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Which country banned internet?

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I'm not sure how you survived this far in life taking everything so literally. Thought take this literally..I'm not going to be reading your posts anymore. /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

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EmpNovA said:

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Mirage said:

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If you wanna talk about China, I'm actually not against banning gay marriage in China..you know why? Because the people who run Chinese government have the decency to at least be consistent with their political history..which is something most US citizens are incapable of recognizing. The same country where they banned much of the most innovative creation of men I have ever seen (the internet) should of course attempt to ban homosexuals from doing the same things as gays, it only fits in with their usual political patterns of the state.

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Which country banned internet?

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I'm not sure how you survived this far in life taking everything so literally. Thought take this literally..I'm not going to be reading your posts anymore. /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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LOL that was a joke, didn't know you reply so fast, I edited it. BTW you really have no idea about Internet and China, go read my last post to find out more.

 

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As much as you and I think Gay marriage is fine, Many people in China still think it's really really bad, it's not the goverment, but Most Chinese people don't want them.

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I have three chinese male friends, all of which came over to America from China with their parents (all around the same age as well, like 13-15).

The two of them who are against gay marriage are ultra christians who refuse to do anything at all that would offend the fairy tale creature Santa...oh I mean Jesus.

The other is a pathologist who like most docs has little religion in his life, and he understands gay marriage.

I find that much of Asia is too preoccupied to get caught up in Gay Marriage so they put it on the back burner, but ban it so it doesn't get out of control.

Europe however is taking the front lines, Spain especially if you follow international current events.

Mirage, would you sleep with Howard Stern?