Good Games Thread

Ggs thewall17, denkai,ayufanboi, soulfulkanbu,rikojiang, shumai, hibihihi, radsteq, unoriginal sin,medamajiji,jimrulu,ikarebose. Im having lots of fun with lei fei. I hope to have a strong lei in 1 yr. Goh: improved a bit, but i need to improve at a faster pace...

 

GGs to SDS Overfiend, nice Jacky, it's good to play with you because your style exposes my bad habits very well

also unoriginal Sin, ggs

 

Somebodys pride was hurt

ps. ggs to Motorcityjacky

 

VGGs to Chief Flash

Really man, that was very impressive. You may have noticed that I rarely got successful combos on u. This was in part because I forgot the max.dmg in closed for wolf (DOH!) and also because it was so goddamned hard trying to find a gap where I could get a launcher in that when I did I was either too surprised, or had used up all my stick prowess manoeuvring myself into said position and had none left to hit the combo lol.

Neway, I thought ur yomi was brilliant. I actually clapped one time cause it was like 2-2, u were down to a slither of health, had ur back to the ring and was under pressure. Yet you still guessed that I was gunna poke low, jumped over it with some move and got a combo off of it that won you the round. Guttsy as nething I thought. Also the speed of your executions and your reactions in general were very impressive. All in all, I know when I'm beaten but hopefully I learnt a few things and I enjoyed every minute.

I have a question for you about yomi. When trying to figure out what to do in a situation, do you go by the person or the character? What I mean is do you have to know the ins and outs of every character or can you read strictly off the person i.e. you think he's going to go for a circular or a mid etc.

I've been trying to improve my yomi recently and I have major holes against certain characters that get thoroughly exploited by good players, and to remedy this I'm wondering if you really need to know the entire casts move set and frames?

Long ass question lol, uh, answer that however you see fit

 

GG's to Diggerydoo - Nice short Session.. Get serious and have fun being serious.. Its the only way you will get better if thats what you really want. I know i might weird dude to some but im fair. I was playing frustrated and not trying to offend you and i felt handcuffed, couple with the fact my Girl was kicking some bullshit in my ear on my birthday in which i wanted to play VF and relax SMH!!! Just hit me next time and we can work on breaking some habits with each other. To chime in on your question you asked Chief... Sometimes in a fight your opponent can become predictable or get caught chasing Fool's good. Just Think about it.

GG's to Akira Love - And what habits may those be if you don't mind me asking? you help me get my speed up on TE's after a or 2[p]. I noticed you started stepping after you a while like you was shaking off the rust. Great Session and i learned alot in our battles.. Anytime im on just find me and invite me.

GG's to Unoriginal sinn - Nice Lei Fei. I see your getting the timing back to alot of things as the days go by. Keep up the agressiveness.

 

Haha ggs man. Sure! Lets break some habits
Lol I had to google search cause I didn't see it on the site. Happy belated birthday dude!

 

hey buddy!

nice long session with you good sir! i didn't want to leave, but the GF showed up out of nowhere so i had to jet LOL! i wanted to stick around longer, because my character knowledge of Lion is not that good. i am still learning this game as much as you are.

So, to answer your question:

yomi is the ability to read your opponent's next move. to a certain degree, yes you do have to know your opponent's character but only in terms of move properties. you'll eventually learn that it's the opponent's habits that will determine a win or lose. as you play, you have to constantly keep mental notes of their behavior. for instance, during our session last night, i noted that:

1. you tend to evade at the same direction you tech roll. meaning, if you techroll up, you evade up. It's hard to judge wolf's stance when you TR because he has quite a few half circular moves. this particular habit made it easier for me to pick the move however.

2. if you feel pressure, you will duck after tech rolling. this is common among many players, even good ones.

3. when you fuzzy guard, you always get up immediately after ducking. a lot of throws could've been ducked to be honest. try to be a little more patient and hold down longer. only release when you feel an attack is coming. in other words, delay ur fuzzy guard.

4. you'll tend to go for low attacks when i'm low in health. A LOT of players do this as well, so don't worry about it. it's a normal habit. just gotta mix it up.

In short, try to keep your opponent guessing to make it harder for them to read you. mix up EVERYTHING...and i mean EVERYTHING! don't always tech, don't always fuzzy, etc. BUT at the same time, decide ur actions based on your opponents habits.

 

Tech roll recovers crouching.

 

i know this, but you have the option to act, avoiding low throws. sorry i forgot to mention my low throw success rate.

 

I got a great piece of advice in regards to defending a year or so ago. It seems really obvious now but it wasn't at the time and I think it helped me in the long run.

I used to play very, very moral. I would always defend how i was supposed to. In my mind I was doing everything right and yet HOWL smacked me round after round. I just didn't get it.

Afterwards we exchanged messages talking about our set and he said something along the lines of:

"defending is as much of a guessing game as attacking. If you have the same response to the same situation you will be punished for it."

Noticing these situations takes work though. I went through a period (back when I only ever used wolf) of just watching back replays of me fighting and trying to notice my habits.

I wish everyone's GG was as detailed as flash's was right there. I know there has been detailed posts before and there will be again but they are the ones which really help people take their game up a notch.

I'm going to make an effort from now on to be as detailed as possible on my GG thread posts. Even if I get worked, if I notice anything I'll point it out and I hope people will do the same for me.

 

THIS! !!!!!!!!!!

 

Time to get some quotes up in this bitch....

I think you're a little bit further ahead of me lol.

Interesting, I do favour up on the stick. I just looked at Wolf's 3K and it's only evadable to one side. Is this what you were using against me? I thought for ages that I should be able to sabaki tht but I guess you were hitting me mid techroll and u can only sabaki once the tech is finished. (Incidentally I stopped doing this after a while 'cause it obviously wasn't working ).

One thing I noticed that's a bugger to the break the habit for...whenever I break a stgr I duck and do a fuzzy straight afterwards. I really got to stop this. You hit me a lot of times after stgrs and I perhaps could have avoided those if I dropped this pretty useless technique.

Thank's that's a great tip.

Good advice again. XYZ noted a few weeks ago that I always ETEG at the correct disadvantages which made me easy to punish. It's weird 'cause I never thought of it that way....doing the correct thing makes you easy to beat....MY MIND IS FULL OF FUCK. But I suppose at the end of the day it's as you said, you need to keep the opponent guessing, and the aim of it at the end of the day is to take no damage at all, not just protect yourself against the MOST damage.


Thanks for the detailed response. It's furthermore interesting because it gives me an insight into the mind of a top player. I don't really keep tabs on peoples habits like you do. I keep tabs on how to beat certain moves but maybe that's where you are ahead of me....you've already got the gist of how to beat certain characters and can focus your energies on how to beat the player, perhaps. I dno. Anyway I really do appreciate the response and I bloody enjoyed the games.

Also I just remembered. There's something I've been working on that is using moves that are only evadable one way to punish DM. I'm not at all confident with this so didn't dare try it against you as I was trying to play uber safe but who know, In a couple of weeks I may bust them out and notch up an extra win here and there

Yah he did low throw me when I was tech rolling once or twice.

That's funny I used to be mostly abare lol.

/reply

 

fuzzy guarding after recovering from a stagger is NOT a bad idea IMO. JUST REMEMBER THAT WHEN RECOVERING FROM A STAGGER, YOUR INPUTS ONLY MATTER WHEN THE STICK ANIMATION TURNS GREEN? RED? LOL I FORGET NOW. someone verify for me. it's whatever the 2nd color is. LOL! you master this vision, and you'll stagger out of everything

and yes i was using either 3K or 41236P+K to hit you after you techrolled, depending on the direction you chose (mostly up)

p.s. i am not a top player. i just train hard when i need to

p.s.s LET'S DO IT AGAIN!

 

I'll send you a friend request dude.

 

hey flash, I´d really like to play some games with you, too!

ggs to

KryeNL >> you`re absolutely right I should take a deeper look in the system!

Jhow77 >> fun games as always!

gastinell, mana knight and thaleis!

 

Gg's to diggerydoo again - You have indeed improved by far and i enjoy playing you for you for your aggressive style. One things for sure if i let your offense get started the match is over quickly and i learn that the hard way lol!!! since we already went over a few things in our PM's last night i guess i state the few that was left out. At times i may have seem like i was going abare only because it happened to work against your delays especially on my tech rolling. I always try to keep myself at a small advantage in a battle so i can always make the first move and still leave a lil bit of margin for changing it up. The major crutch You have is a habit of crouching after stagger recovery which i was using to my advantage when i needed to get back into the fight. It was almost like i can land 3 mids in a rows before you just say the hell with it and attack out of disadvantage. Again Diggery i only take what you give me. If you keep falling for lows... then thats where ill keep attacking until you decide to do something to stop it which opens the door for more options. I try to be a accurate striker as much as i can because nobody like to get hit from all angles... Its frustrating and can make you react and get punished even further (Think missing a counter in DOA4). Also you have to use more of lions attacks in his arsenal. You kept relying on the faithfuls that ended up becoming predictable. another thing is trying to open a round by attacking first. Again you became predictable opening rounds and i punished you for it 90% of the time to already keep the match in my favor. But enough of the overview.

Work on your TE's more and don't sit stationary when you feel you reach a dead spot in the match [p] is always a good hit check just to bait a reaction from your opponent whether its guarded or not, Stop crouching after staggers all the time, Get max damage from all off all moves. Take what you can get. Set up your throws more rather than throwing as a last resort. these of some of the things that can put you over the hump because you are good with a knowledge of VF. Im trying to improve everyday and i can use all the feedback i can get.Im nowhere near where i want to be. I won't see the holes in my game unless somebody point it out to me so i expect you to do the same lol!

 

Considering the amount of players Ive seen over the years in VF5 to continue crouching after a techroll is basically nil, I considered it possible that flash wasn't aware of the fact, and that he got the lowthrows on players who simply held G for example. Sorry if I rocked your boat. It was not my intention to be disrespectful.

Just that I have noticed people who consider something "obvious" as people most likely to have overlooked something..

 

Manji you are definitely more "matter of fact" than philosophical.




Hey FLASH, where are my royalties for that avatar of yours??!! How about I take pay in some matches. I can't believe we haven't run across each other online in over a year now.