Getting Evo Problems fixed for US release

You sound.................bitter.

 

Well I refuse to give up the good fight. I'm going to keep bugging Sega about it and I think we all should until its officially anounced.

And I was one of the two people who wrote the Sega Marketing guy and I'd write him again if it could help.

Its sad news Suzuki-san has no control over Virtua Fighter, at least thats what I got from what you told me. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

If this pans out like this Fishie, then I think he has a right to be.

 

Oh but it is mostly paning out like that.
And its a good thing that suzuki has little to no control over VF.

 

In all fairness we won't really know what is in, out, or fixed until copies are released to the public. Then we won't for positive know until we have copies in our own hands. Have hope and keep on, keepin' on.

 

Life's a Garden Dig it, Gotta make it work for ya!
- Joe Dirt

 

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spotlite said:
I'll never forget the look on Yu's face at E3 2001 when Adam, Andy, Sal and I approached him to say we were Vf fans, it was like "leave me alone, freaks". Just my opinion.

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Holy shit, are you serious? Man that sucks so much. I understand that Sega's biggest market is Japan, but us fans in the U.S put money in his damn pocket too.

I swear I would boycott the U.S VFEvo, if I didn't want that damn game so much /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. "Censoring" the PAL version (and possibly the U.S version), not fixing the mem card problem....I'd still be extremely happy to get a U.S version, but it's like they're going out of their way to (excuse my french) fuck with us. /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

We are AM2s bitches and they know it and treat us acordingly /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

It is kind of funny to know that AM2 is gonna take the time to "censor" the game... but they don't have the time to make certain changes that the fans REALLY want. Sounds fishy to me...

p.s. No pun intended Fishie. /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

that's my point: things fans OUTSIDE of JAPAN want don't matter to AM2, at all. VF4 in Japan is probably the most well supported fighting game scene in the world, and most of that support comes directly from AM2. All those 100 man Kumite events that are put on and videos put up on the web, running VF.net for i-mode, J-Phone, and PCs; the national tournaments etc. They put so much care into it.

But when the rest of the world just wants their minimal simulation of what VF.net is to run properly (like it used to) "Oh no, we don't have time to fix that!". I guess one request from the rest of the VF fans in the world is too much, while it seems like for fans inside Japan, no ammount of effort is too great to please them.

Spotlite

 

Truth be told they do make a killing with arcade VF4 Evo in Japan, something they would never be able to in the west.
Players pay a monthly fee per acount, arcades pay a connection fee for every connected machine and merchandise gets sold all over the place.
We buy the game and thats it as far as revenue goes for AM2.
In Japan they have a constant stream of revenue from its fanbase.

 

But we have the Bomb !!! /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

( Well at 'least our neighbors to the south do...we have hockey sticks and diesel powered submarines /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif )

 

Spot, that was Adam, Sal, you, and ME not Andy. And in Suzuki's defense, I thought he was very friendly and welcoming. Showed us a VF.net card and everything. I think he was a little reserved because of language restrictions, and probably because he has little context of what a VF fan in the U.S. really means.

That said, I feel like I can understand where AM2 is coming from. Why put effort into a game that a Western audience doesn't appreciate? On a psychological level, I can sympathize with a "Well screw them" attitude.

On a business level, AM2's position becomes even stronger. Cash is tight at the parent level, and I'm sure the same can be said at the BU level. Resources must be managed carefully and that means concentrating on the most lucrative and profitable market--that market is not us.

 

I just made an inquiry about the status of the memory card issue to a staff member at AM2. Hopefully I should hear something soon.

 

I can understand that the US arcade scene is completely different than the Japanese one.

But, what bothers me is that they refuse to take the time to fix something that I feel someone at AM2 could remedy before their lunch break: allow players to use files from both memory card slots. I think they could fix this in the time takes them to put up a web page with photos and video clips from one of those local events that they put on all the time, like a couple a week, right? I mean, it used to work fine... (if a little slow).

You said that we're not the best market, but the last version of PS2 VF4 sold more copies in the US than it did in Japan, so I think that they'd be willing to give us SOME understanding here? If the attitude is "screw them" why release the game here at all? Oh, because we'll all buy it anyway and they can still make some $, flawed or not. That's what's kind of insulting, it's like "we've heard from the consumers that there's a slight problem with the product..." "who cares? they'll buy it anyway, and I don't have time to care about what they think".

I don't even really care about the save system so much anymore, what bothers me it that I think it's perfectly clear that AM2 has ample time to dedicate themselves to whatever they want when it comes to supporting VF. And in this case they've decided that fixing this, even though they were asked if they could do so by Sega of America, Sega of Europe, and the fans (in some small amount) is a waste of their precious time... come on. The fact that they've even got enough clout to even say no to requests like that from the overseas offices should tell you that they'd have the resources and time to fix their own game, if it was important to them.

Sorry I forgot that was you at E3 Jeff, you and Andy look alike (not).

Spotlite

 

I can see the logic of changing the saving system in japan to encourage people to use vf.net. It's lame but ok... however outside of japan vf.net doesn't exist. a BIG part of the game is lost without the saves. Sega obviously knows this, and if they refuse to fix it means they are willing to ship a 1/2 ass product. For me there is no purpose of buying the NA version without saves. Like Spotlite said it won't take much effort, after all they have the system in place already with the vf4 version already. I honestly cannot see why they wouldn't fix it unless they just plainly don't give a fuck. If that's the case so be it. Didn't some dude from AM2 asked why vf doesn't do well in the states? Well here's why...
Anyways, Jeff your logic is similar to Josh's here, don't really make much sense to me..
Anyways... no fix memcard, one less copy they are gonna sell here.

 

Funny...they care enough to censor the game, but not enough to fix what will be a very serious problem to VF in the U.S. I'm sorry to keep bringing that up, but it's got me really pissed the hell off. Like Shang said, all they need to do is replace the current saving system with the one they had for VF4. How hard is that? But now they're going to go through code, give Vanessa a new skin for her costume (which I think is total bullshit), erase the code that makes Shun turn red with more drinks, etc.

I'm sorry for bitching so much guys, but my friends here at school will just say "damn man...it's not that serious". I've got to vent somewhere. It's better to vent with people who are pissed at the same thing.

Zero-chan: I'm expecting it to be days for you to get that reply. But I've still been checking the boards hoping that a response comes soon. This whole ordeal is just retarded /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif .

 

chill

You guys need to take a step back and breath for a second. You're condemning Sega/AM2 before any real evidence is given that they do not care about NTSC-U/C and PAL Virtua Fighter gamers. The closest date we know of an english language version of VF4E is late June in some PAL territories and no hard information about upgrades or alterations has been officially released. Let's give them a little more time and continue with the letter writing, petitioning, and general bugging of Sega/AM2 to have the save card issue addressed and a US/Canada release of VF4E confirmed. Stop building the gallows to hang them with and see if they screw us over or not. After confirmation of good or bad news, then you can do whatever you like. Just give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

Re: chill

Yeah I decided to ramp it up and email videogame websites and magazines and see if they are even aware of the problem. Most of them are lost in a Soul Calibur 2 haze, but still the bigger stink we make before E3 the better our chances of this problem getting addressed.

I completely agree with Spotlight that this problem could be fixed in a weekend of programming.

 

I think overall, it all boils down to a money issue. IMO, they simply don't want anything resembling VF.net available to the public for free, even if its just a simulation. That, combined with the fact that they're willing to take the time to censor Vanessa and Shun, only pisses me off more. It makes me wonder if they even care if VF catches on outside of Japan. I'm actually having second thoughts about buying the U.S. version if this problem isn't fixed. Seriously, what's the point?