Explanation of the Clash System

If someone could do these calculations while playing, they deserve an award. Hell, they deserve TWELVE awards.

These points you're making are self evident. Kinda like frames, it's good to know what will work in which situations, and commit them to memory, bit by bit. The formula(s) are useful because they tell you what you'd need to memorize without confusing the *expletive* out of you.

It's good to know that Shun's Mule Kick or Akira's Knee won't beat a throw after you've been standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif'd. I don't believe clash should be a defensive technique either, but knowing when you have clash backing you up will allow for smart throwing.

Huzzah.

 

I have a video of Sarah vs Wolf where her low P clashed with one of his low throws. So against low throw, something else may have to be used to beat it.

 

I will become the ultimate defensive Kage in VF5 by using my secret defensive technique...










random tft

 

Can you check which version of the game it is?

 

It was a video I downloaded off that HK-TV site several months ago, so I'm assuming it's Version A. The comments box says only "versus movie". Is there any distinguishing characteristic of the game screen that would identify it as A or B? Text colours, timer styles, icons, etc?

Neither character had advantage when it happened. Sarah guarded as Wolf dashed at her, then she hit low P and clashed with his low throw.

PM me if anyone wants and I'll send it to you on AIM. It's about 23 MB.

 

this post WAS an examination of what happens if the Clash system in VF5 swings both ways, so that Throws from Disadvantage could overcome Attacks, but Myke says that's not how it works, and I'm happy to hear it.

I've kept a copy of what I wrote, if anyone wants to see how bad that would suck.

Bryan

 

Yeah spotlite,

edit: the crossed out part is not verified. Details modified.
<s>You need to change the '+' sign to a '-' sign if you are applying the equation from opposite perspective.</s>

<s>or, </s>what you can do is, look at the situation as if the person throwing in disadvantage is throwing at 0 advantage by subtract the attacker's advantage from the exe speed of the move and then apply the equation with a +0 at the end.

You'll see that the equation becomes (in your first example)

12 < [ (14-2) / 2 ] + 0

12 < 6

so no clash occurs and the throw is beaten by Akira with +2.

Keep it moral yo. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">attacking with advantage will always beat a throw.</div></div>

I'm glad to hear that, as the situation as I was describing was grim. I was going under the assumption that the Clash will occur ANY time the formula is met, since the formulas were spelled out as

12 < exe/2 + frames of Advantage OR Disadvantage

Is there a reference that confirms all this?

Happy to be Wrong

 

Something I noticed as I was watching the Black Book DVD, there are about 5 clashes in the entire tournament! I'm assuming these highest level players have already internalized exactly what they can/can't do in most situations.

For about the first 2/3rds of the tourney, there's ONE clash, then later there's a match where a few happen. I was pretty surprised, and impressed. Obviously, in Japan creating a Clash would seem to be very un-desirable.

 

Well, it does slow down the pace of the match... and it's a clear sign that you're trying to take the easy way out... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Question; doesn't this just totally fuck over Sabakis? For aoi and so on who is in diss when her sabaki goes against a throw it's good since she will get neutral but sabaki's like lei 236p+k etc who used to knockdown against throws or sabaki's who used to give + vs throws (Goh)...

/KiwE

 

Somebody tell me what "reverse nitaku " means. I feel left out.

 

And whats a sabaki??? A counter attack?

 

Reverse nitaku = attacking out of your dissadvantage instead of taking defensive measures, mostly because you feel in your balls your opponent will throw you. Sabaki = a move which wins against certain attacktypes even though it's slower / you do it from a dissadvantage because you've guessed right.

Only posting since nobody else is

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">doesn't this just totally fuck over Sabakis? </div></div>

I think it just decreases the reward for using sabakis in those circumstances where it might clash with a throw attempt...It might make those moves less perfectly attractive in certain situations but when you think about it, it ain't that bad. At disadvantage vs throw you might get reset, vs the specific attack class your sabaki beats you'll get your crumble or whatever & vs big fat launcher you'll probably get big fat launched.

 

Thanks for the info Srider i dont understand any of it but i'm sure i'll get my head round it soon enough.

 

If you play Evo in Training Mode, it might tell you whether a move is a Sabaki or not (but not in those words).

Examples are Sarah's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and Vanessa's 46/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. In the Series section it explains that these moves will work against certain other types of moves in certain situations. Basically they have the built-in property to beat other moves even if those other moves should have hit you.

Kind of like Autoguard property, if you're familiar with KoF.

 

Actually, Goh's super flying jump kick is a combo starter (sort of - it only allows for one combo). It leaves you with enough advantage on normal hit to sneak in a p,k, which if you go into backturn gives you a mean "small" nitaku situation (for which i mean not more than +6 advantage, but no attack of the opponent can beat out Goh's BT p+k, except for reversals, sabakis, strangely, lau's u+k,k beats it too, etc.).

I absolutely love being in BT with advantage with Goh in VF5. It's such a great situation to be in. Catch-throw (unbreakable) with good follow up damage and okizeme options or mean-ass mid punch which leaves the opponent side turned. Sweet!

 

That's good for Goh, his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif BT options were poor in FT. His BT /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif came out to slow to force nitaku imo.