[Experimental] VF5FS Lion Combos Compilation

Actually your right it wasn't even a combo until 44K which isn't all that great since it's easily guarded. A nice combo when someones back is to the wall is -

PP4P,66P+G

I also love to poke with P,BD a couple times and then go for 41236P+G. (Sorry I don't know the notation for back dash)

Another move I like is 4P+K, because then KK,1K,8P is coming unless the initial hit is evaded. My notation may be off; I'm still new to VF as far as actually trying to be good at it. So if I post something noobish or incorrect please feel free to correct me.

My new BnB as of today is 2KK,66KK,1K,8P.

 

PP4P is only a combo if the second P make your opponent hit the wall. If it does I don't know if 41236+P+G is guaranteed because the opponent may be in hitstun, thus unthrowable.

But you have better options that are guaranteed, PP4P, 46K, 46K+G, P, 43P+K, 6PP should work.

 

What you want to do is go to dojo>free training and press start>cpu settings>details and then change fall recovery to; in place(exact) and rising speed to fastest. This will allow the cpu to get up or tech a combo as soon as that option is available to it. With this done you can see what truly combos because if the cpu gets up mid way then its not guaranteed and not technically a combo.

 

Not max damage in a wall situation but if you happen to do 44k>wall splat (and have the presence of mind to not do p+k) then>ppkp>8p+k is the most I found against Shun for 64dmg(Ch).

 

You can tell if a combo works without needing to set fall recovery. The combo counter turns green if its teachable at certain points(white is guaranteed). It only doesn't work for combos that start from moves that cause a shakable stagger. You can still use this to find guaranteed follow-ups if opponent doesn't shake it though.

 

Don't know if listed already but a wall combo I played with just now that does a good chunk. 4P+K (max charge), 46K+G,9K+G, 46P+KP, 43P+K,6PP

 

2_3P+K (wall hit) >44p+k>46k>9p>46p+k>46k+g>336p+k>66kk>8p+k 135 dmg on Goh

 

It's weird that 9k adds only 4 more damage when its base damage is 25 where as 46p+k adds around 4 in most combos and has a base damage of 10. Seems like weird scaling to me.

That's the same as this combo but with the stuff on the front chopped off. Just saiyan.

 

You're using 3K as wallhit I use 2_3P+K. I did chop off the iffy stuff that can be broken like the throw stagger. 3K is a lot harder to get the wall stagger off of than 2_3P+K. Just sayin'

 

I already posted this in the media forum, but I'll stick it here too for easy reference.


Lion The Infinite Gyre

 

Yessssss.

 

Flipped through the thread and didn't see this.

46 K+G -> 46 P+KPP -> 8 P+K

68 dmg NH, 81 dmg CH, only works on Akira on CH, both versions work on Jean. The timing in open is kinda tricky.

If the 8 P+K wall-slides, you can finish with 66KK for 83 dmg normal hit and 103 dmg counter hit. That'll only occur at very specific spacings.

Not terribly practical considering how slow 46 K+G is. It'll catch low rising attacks though.

Edit: Also,

8K (CH) -> 46 P+KPP -> 8 P+K

Works on most lightweights for 68 dmg. With a wall-slide and a 66KK followup, it does 83 dmg. Doesn't work on Lei-Fei or Shun.

On Jacky, 8K (CH) -> 46 P+K -> 6PP does 59 dmg.

On Akira and Jean, 8K (CH)-> 44K, P+K does 48 dmg to Akira and 52 dmg to Jean (for some reason).

 

I have clean-up the Google Doc a bit.

 

This is a great thread, But it seriously needs to be organized lol

 

I've been meaning to do a list of max damage fc3P combos
I'lll get back home and i'll work on it

 

Seriously,
why doesn't every lion player just take on the job of finding max dmg for one lion move? I will start by trying to find every max dmg combo for 6k(ch) all weight classes. This way it's a community effort and make it easier rather than have 50 threads that have tid bits. What say the rest of you lion players? Let's get to work and form some solid information. Later on we can delete the useless clutering threads to simplify things.

Hollah!

 

I've been working on max damage for all chars. I'll dump what I've got to get things started.

If it's got a question mark by it then I haven't tested it yet but it probably works.

The formatting got a bit messed up in the copy/paste. If you see a combo with no launcher by it, it's for the last mentioned launcher.


----------------------------------------------------------------------Super Light Weight


EILEEN MAX DAMAGE
33P: 46P+Kp2/8P>43P+K>6PP 88DMG
PKP>43P+K>6PP 84DMG
66p: 46P+KPP>43P+K>6PP 76/86(CH)DMG
46P+KPP>_KK 71/81(CH)DMG
46p+kp2p>66kk 72/82(CH)DMG
TRTH PPKP: 2P>66KK
214P: 2P>46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 70DMG
46P+KPP>_KK 66DMG
43P: 2P>43P+K>6PP 59/67(CH)DMG
3/9PKG K(CH): 2P>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 73DMG
2P>43P+K>6PP 67DMG
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>46P+K>_P>66KK 76/81(CH)DMG
66>2P>43P+K>6PP 73/78(CH)DMG
TRTH 9P+K(CH): 46P+KPP>43P+K>6PP 80DMG
TRTH 9P+K: 46P+KPP>6PP 64/72(CH)DMG
46P+K>_P>43P+K>_P>_66KK 65/73(CH)DMG OPEN ONLY
46P+K>_P>43P+K>6PP 64/72(CH)DMG
_26P+G: 66>2P>66P+K>6PP 64DMG
_P>43P+K>6PP 68DMG


----------------------------------------------------------------------Light Weight


AOI MAX DAMAGE
33P: 46P+Kp2/8P>43P+K>6PP 88DMG



SARAH MAX DAMAGE
_26P+G: 66>2P>66P+K>6PP 64DMG
6k(CH): 2p>46p+k>43p+k>6pp 75DMG
33P: 46P+Kp2/8P>_KK 83DMG
46P+Kp2/8P>6PP 80DMG
46k: 66K>P>43P+K>6PP 71/81(CH)DMG
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>46P+K>6PP 68/73(CH)DMG
44K: P+K>46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 72/82(CH)DMG
43P: 2P>43P+K>6PP



SHUN MAX DAMAGE
2K(CH),K+G: _P>43P+K>6PP
_26P+G: _P>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 73DMG ?




PAI MAX DAMAGE
33P: 46P+Kp2/8P>_KK 83DMG
46P+Kp2/8P>6PP 80DMG
46P+Kp2/8P>66KK 79DMG
66P+K>46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 79DMG
66P+K>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 77DMG
46p+kp2/8p>66kk 79DMG
66p: 46P+KPP>_KK 71/81(CH)DMG
46k: 66>P>43P+K>P>66KK 65/75(CH)DMG
66>2P>46P+K>_KK 61/71(CH)DMG
44k: P+K>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 70/80(CH)DMG
P+K>46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 72/82(CH)DMG
_26P+G: _P>66P+K>6PP 64DMG
66>46P+k>_P>_KK 66DMG
66>2P>46P+K>6PP 63DMG
TRTH 9P+K: 46P+K>66P+K>6PP 56/64(CH)DMG
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>46P+K>6PP 68/73(CH)DMG
6k(CH): 2p>66p+k>43p+k>_P>_66KK 78DMG
1k(CH): 46P+K>43P+K>6PP 71DMG



LION MAX DAMAGE
33P: 46P+Kp2/8P>6PP 80DMG
PKP>KK 79DMG
46P+K>66P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 79DMG
46p+K>66p+k>43P+K>6PP 77DMG
66p: 66p+k>46p+k>43p+k>_p>66kk 72/82(CH)DMG
46P+KPP>_KK 71/81(CH)DMG
1k(CH): 46P+K>43P+K>6PP 71DMG
TRTH 9P+K: 46P+K>43P+K>6PP 60/68(CH)DMG
46P+K>43P+K>_PKP 60/68(CH)DMG
46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 63/71(CH)DMG
46k: 66K>P>43P+K>6PP 71/81(CH)DMG
2K(CH),K+G: _P>46P+K>6PP 68/86(CH)DMG
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>46P+K>6PP 68/73(CH)DMG
43P: 2P>6PP 55DMG
3/9PKG K(CH): 2P>46P+K>6PP 62DMG
8K: 2P>6PP ?
_26P+G: 44K,P+K>2P>66KK ?
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>66P+K>6PP 59/74(CH)DMG ?
3P(CH)P: 2P>66KK
P+K: _P>46P+K>6PP ?



VANESSA MAX DAMAGE
44k: P+K>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 70/80(CH)DMG
33P: 46P+Kp2/8P>_KK 83DMG
46P+Kp2/8P>6PP 80DMG
46P+K>66p+k>43P+K>6PP 77DMG
PKP>_KK 79DMG
6k(CH): 2p>46p+k>43p+k>6pp 75DMG
_26P+G: 66>2P>66P+K>6PP 64DMG
66p: 46P+KPP>_KK 71/81(CH)DMG
61P+G K: 2P>43P+K>6PP 63DMG
2P>43P+K>_P>66KK 66DMG
46k: 66K>P>43P+K>6PP 71/81(CH)DMG
TRTH 2KK: 2P>43P+K>6PP (CH)DMG


----------------------------------------------------------------------Middle Weight


LAU MAX DAMAGE
_26P+G: 66P+K>2P>_KK 67DMG ?



KAGE MAX DAMAGE
43p: 2p>6pp ?
_26P+G: 66P+K>2P>_KK 67DMG ?
8K:



LEI MAX DAMAGE
33P: 66P+K>46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 79DMG
66P+K>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 77DMG
46p+kp2/8p>66kk 79DMG
6k(CH): 2p>46p+k>43p+k>_P>_66KK 77DMG
2p>46p+k>43p+k>6PP 77DMG
66P: 46P+KPP>_KK 71/81DMG
_26P+G: _P>46P+K>6PP 63DMG
_P>_KK 59DMG
1k(CH): P>_KK 64DMG
44K: P+K>46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 72/82(CH)DMG



BRAD MAX DAMAGE
33P: 46p+kp2/8p>66kk 79DMG


----------------------------------------------------------------------Heavy Middle Weight


AKIRA MAX DAMAGE
43p: 2p>6pp
3/9PKG K(CH): 2P>6PP 55DMG
44K: P+K>_P>_KK 62/72DMG
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>46P+K>6PP 68/73(CH)DMG
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>6PP 61/66(CH)DMG
4P+K: 46K+G>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 97(CH)DMG
33p: 46P+KP2/8P>66KK 79DMG
46P+K>66P+K>43P+K>6PP 77DMG
46K+G(CH): _P>46P+K>6PP 78DMG
46K+G: _P>6PP 58/71(CH)DMG
6k(CH): 2p>46p+k>43p+k>_P>_66KK 75DMG
1k(CH): P>6PP 61DMG
66P: 46P+KPP>6PP 68DMG
46K: 66>2P>66P+K>6PP 59/69(CH)DMG
66>2P>46P+K>6PP 58/68(CH)DMG



JACKY MAX DAMAGE
61P+G K: 2P>43P+K>6PP 63DMG
8K: 2P>6PP ?
8K: 6PP



JEAN MAX DAMAGE
44K: P+K>_P>_KK 62
44K(CH): P+K>46P+K>43P+K>_P>66KK 87DMG CLOSED ONLY
P+k>46P+K>43P+K>6pp 85dmg
33P: 46P+Kp2/8P>66p+kp 81DMG
66P+K>46P+K>43P+K>6PP 81DMG
66P+K>46P+K>43P+K>_P>_66KK 83DMG
66p: 46P+KPP>_KK 71/81(CH)DMG
1K: _P>_KK 68DMG CLOSED ONLY
46P+K>6PP 66DMG
6k(CH): 2p>66p+k>43p+k>6pp 80DMG
46P+KPP>6PP 79DMG
TRTH 9P+K: 46P+K>43P+K>6PP 72DMG
_26P+G: _P>46P+K>6PP 63DMG
_P>_KK 59DMG
P+K: _P>66P+K>6PP 58/74(CH)DMG
46K: 66>2P>66P+K>6PP 59/74(CH)DMG


----------------------------------------------------------------------Heavy Weight


JEFFRY MAX DAMAGE
66p: 46P+KPP>_KK 71/81(CH)DMG
33P: 46P+K>43P+K>_P>66P+KP 71DMG
2K(CH),K+G: _P>46P+KPP 61/79(CH)DMG CLOSED ONLY
2K(CH),K+G: PKP 56/74(CH)DMG
9P: 46P+K>43P+K>_P>66P+KP 70/82(CH)DMG
1k(CH): _P>46P+KPP 60DMG
_P>6PP 61DMG CLOSED ONLY
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>6PP 61/66(CH)DMG
TRTH 2KK: 66>2P>_KK 64/69(CH)DMG CLOSED
_26P+G: _P>_KK 59DMG



WOLF MAX DAMAGE
_26P+G: 66P+K>_P>_KK 66DMG ?


----------------------------------------------------------------------Super Heavy Weight


TAKA MAX DAMAGE
Side Crumple: 46K+G>_P>_KK 52DMG (NOT INLUDING 336P+K WHICH DOES 33DMG)
33p: 43P+K>66KK 63DMG
44K: 6PP 63DMG
_26P+G: 66>2P>6PP 56DMG ?
1K: 8P+K ?

 

a few notes for Tim's list
any 33P 46P+KP8/2P combo only works in closed stance
any 33P PKP works any stance

vs aoi 33P PKP 43P+K 6PP is max dmg for any stance

vs everyone from Pai to Akira max damage open stance is:
33P 46P+KPP 43P+K 6PP 83 damage

vs Eileen and Blaze 33P 44K P+K 46P+K 43P+K 6PP 85 damage any stance

vs Wolf and Jeffery
33P 46P+KP2/8P PK closed stance 73 damage
33P 46P+KPP KK open stance 78 damage

vs Eileen 2_6P+G 44K P+K 2P 66KK 74 damage
vs Jacky Jean and Akira 2_6P+G 66P+K P KK 67 damage

 

Great stuff guys !

Since it's hard to organize things, due to not being able to edit first post, maybe we could fill
this Doc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq4G2cgfZ2JwdDhUX2VFM0Y3WGZGU2Y5UW5odUlNU0E

It has a layout close to what exists on this site.
If you're willing to help send me a PM so that I share the doc with you for editing.
For stance notes I put it like this, B=both stances, C=close, O=Open X=doesn't work
I'll try to update it myself on a regular basis

 

now this is organized!!