Tournament play should emulate arcade gameplay. You get 3 buttons in the arcade (P,K,G) and the same structure should be used on all joysticks/gamepads in tournaments. Having to use complex buttons to do moves is just simply lame, because it reduces the skill needed to perform these harder moves. Everyone should use 3 buttons in VF gameplay (P,K,G) and shouldn't need to use any other shortcuts. If you can't press 2 or 3 buttons down on a PS2 gamepad at the same time, then you shouldn't play at all in a competitive environment.

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Why is it lame ? It won't magically make the person who uses them a better player or give them an advantage since both players can customize however they see fit.

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That sucks ! Might as well just use a stick. They've got to change that rule.


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ermmm, if the pad doesnt give you the advantage then why the second quote? btw are you even going to this event?

If the event is PS2 Evo then I don't see how anyone can have customized controls due to the whole memcard issue...every person would have to go to options to reconfigure the controls before every match, thereby wasting way too much time. The tournament should use the type C configuration with X=guard S=punch and T=kick since most commercial arcade sticks use that configuration.

Yes, they should, but then that would screw over the people who's joysticks aren't the typical commercial ones, or made their sticks themselves and don't use type C. Also, the Hori stick (so I've heard) is set to play right from the get go with standard A configuration.

I would love to see everyone playing with their own sticks/pads, but imo this could cause a serious problem. I would rather they treat this like a normal tournament and make everyone use the same arcade standard sticks.

I was under the impression that all hori sticks use Type C...and if you built your own stick it should be no problem just changing the layout a bit, that's what I had to do, so that we can have trouble free ps2 gatherings. If you play ps2 evo with more than two people then you are forced to standardize the controller configuration or you will spend half the time changing the controls.

If they make people use standard arcade sticks then I can bet at least half the people will whine about how they don't like the sticks etc...some people prefer sanwa, some happ, and some that use pads(but who cares about pad players anyway...right nam and super /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif). The bottom line is that you won't be able to satisfy everyone, and I feel that the best soultion would be to use Type C config.

We ran into this at TiT...it turns out Hori VF4 & evo sticks work with either the type A or type C configuration.

For the record, Namflow and I use type C configuration on our pads... Thumb on guard, index finger on punch, middle finger on kick.. We don't use the combination buttons...

If you are going to allow people to bring their own controllers/sticks, it makes absolutely no sense to make everyone in the tournament use the same controller configuration.

I don't think time will be an issue, even with taking the time to set the controller before each match, the matches will go much faster than most of the other games (especially CvS2)...

If it's not going to be on an arcade machine, I don't see what the point is to "standardize" the controls... So everybody has to play on the same setup that most people may not be comfortable with?

-Alex

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Tournament play should emulate arcade gameplay. You get 3 buttons in the arcade (P,K,G) and the same structure should be used on all joysticks/gamepads in tournaments. Having to use complex buttons to do moves is just simply lame, because it reduces the skill needed to perform these harder moves. Everyone should use 3 buttons in VF gameplay (P,K,G) and shouldn't need to use any other shortcuts. If you can't press 2 or 3 buttons down on a PS2 gamepad at the same time, then you shouldn't play at all in a competitive environment.

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If you say so !

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Why is it lame ? It won't magically make the person who uses them a better player or give them an advantage since both players can customize however they see fit.

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That sucks ! Might as well just use a stick. They've got to change that rule.


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ermmm, if the pad doesnt give you the advantage then why the second quote? btw are you even going to this event?

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I don't know what you're talking about but on whether I'm going or not : I'm considering it, if not I wouldn't be so concerned with the rules but it's still too early for me to know for sure. And why couldn't be in LA, man that sucks too ! /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

P.S. : Oh and Supergolden, you're absolutely right.

For the record, the Hori stick does use the A controller setup. I've also used both pad and stick, shortcuts and no and I don't really think that there are any advantages to one or the other as to make it unfair to use one that much so over the other.

PS. The Hori Evo stick ownz your face. /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif
PPS. I'm torn as towards whether to go to this or not. It's not a lack of desire so much as a lack of resources. If someone could hook me up with a place to stay for duration or tourney (if I go), it would be so appreciated. Plus mad evo practice, freeplay, vs. justice.

Electric Cancel and TZ are paired up to deliver T4 and Tag at Evo, so this event replaces EC5. I didn't see this posted anywhere else so I decided to put it here.

You're positive about this? Do you have links to support it? Please don't be offended, I've just been looking forward to EC5 since this Evo2K3 falls on dates I can't attend.

Common sense says you're probably right, but I don't want you to be right.

I'm pretty sure about this. I hate to be the bringer of bad news for you. I got it from the tekken zaibatsu site, about 3/4 the way down, quoted by Markman. He's a pretty reliable source, and nobody has stood to correct him. The link is here .

I posted this so that the VF players who were planning on going to EC5 but still want to go to a tournament can start changing their plans to accomodate this change.

Sorry Plague. I hope you can still show though.

Castel, the guy who runs TZ also supports this. That link is here .

Anyone else find irony in the fact that the name of the tourney is "Evolution" but VF4:EVO is mentioned last in the list of games(on the evo2003 trailer)? Hehe.

Arrgh!

Well, thank you for doing that research. I'll be returning home Sunday, the 10th, at around 1 or 2 am. I'll attend the event to support the SoCal players that make it to the VF finals /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif.

Make sure you sign up... right now vf4 is showing the lowest turnout (although not a big surprise).

Here's the link:
http://tekkenzaibatsu.com/evolution/
Click on Player Guide, then Signup Forms. You can also check out who's already signed up now. Evo has 25 players so far...

You shouldn't sign up unless you're sure you can go. This is so everyone can get a realistic glimpse of who's attending, what the prize money will be, etc.

Though, yeah, VFE's numbers right now are far from impressive. Let's see if we can get some people from Japan over here. They probably wouldn't show unless the prize money would make up for the trip over here (which it certainly doesn't right now).

That, and they'd ruin my chances of doing well even more /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I really do hope that many of the people here at vfdc can make it out to Evo; you too Myke. I personally would like to see 100 people (unlikely I know) in the vfe tourney to show that people in the U.S DO play VF, and to make the prize money something worth-while.

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For added incentive, while I'm not at liberty to give details, invitations to some "big names" in Japan are going to be sent out, and if anything comes out of it, you'll all be the first to know.


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Damnit...I was hoping to do well in this tournament. Looks like I can kiss that dream good-bye /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif. Knowing my luck, I'd be put against Chibita, Ohsu, or Arashi for the very first match. How much would that suck....

Well it is double elimination after all... or so I understand. I'm definately going, but I can't vouch for the rest of Texas members... I'm sure many want to, but 90% of our players are students (IE broke as they come) so who knows.

As for the button layouts... not really a big deal I guess, but pressing 3 buttons at once on a Dpad can be a little tricky sometimes.

(Psst... all of us D-pad Shun players should unite and storm this tourney en-masse... but shh, lets keep it a secret)