Choosing a stick for VF4Evolution PS2

www.x-arcade.com

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replicant said:

X-Arcade Single and Double sticks are absolute garbage. If you want an American style setup, just get a Mas Systems stick which can be adapted as well to any system and is about 5x more solid than an X-Arcade. The actual pushbuttons and sticks are alot better made as well. I'm still partial to my NAMCO stick for PSX/PS2 play. Any of the Hori sticks for Tekken, VF, or SC will do the trick for you if you don't have someone like catch22 make you a pro stick.

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Fishie said:

And that concludes empnova´s advertisement for the POS known as XArcade
That thing reeks, the TTT and T4 J Sticks are far better for VF4 and Evo on PS2 then that shit.

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Oh boy, first of all you are both very close minded, sticks are all personal preference, so STFU when you say a stick is "better" for playing a game. I have friends who only play on X-arcade, and they can perform all moves for TTT, and VF4 just as they would on a Japanese stick.

And second of all, how many sticks that you have can plug into all of the next gen consoles, and to computers (PC and Mac).

And if I was trying to sell X-arcades, I would give out links to purchase it, and all that crap. And secondly, the reviews it got, by qualified experts, not kids typing on their computer, are more significant than immature trolling.

Read

Most people who are open minded will complement the stick, jsut because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean that someone esle won't. Your opinion (though you think it) is not the only thing that matters here /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif.

 

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I dunno the last time I checked cheap adapters could be purchased for every console and USB on the pc for a playstation controller. The X-arcade single is around $100 + adapters after the first 2, right? Thats about 40-50 dollars more than the standard japanese stick , and if you for some reason wanted adapters for EVERY "next-gen" console that would still only be $45, with the added bonus that all of your controllers can be used on these consoles, not just a stick.

 

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so very true. I bought a ps2 converter for my ps2 stick and never looked back because now I have a japanese stick for my pc. And the blaze dual stick only cost $50 canadian...so its win win over the X-arcade.

GE

 

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Does the Hori Evo mem card work on American PS2?

 

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Yes.

 

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Oh yeah. Maybe I should KEEP this one. It'll hurt to see it go. BTW, Mr. Client (mail me if you want this ball color. (red/green/blue)

And for you Kakutou Shinseki fans who clamored for a seekable version. I've done the impossible. Used a video program to get the video out (but no audio) and reencode it. The reencoding quality is close to the original. Used audacity to cap the sound into wave so I could use Virtual Dub. I also reencoded some of the matches that were messed up during data drops using matches released by am.sega.jp, and used ripped footage of the DVD for the missing final 2 Minami/Heruru mathes that nobody released. Used as little footage of the DVD as possible. I also kept the original sound from the live feed, even though they are broken up in places to keep the live feel.

What's messed up though, is the whole AVI file has uncompressed WAV sound. It's over 3GB in this form.
When it's compressed with MP3, or any other compression, the synchronization runs about a quarter of a second off. This is over 4 hours of footage. I had to cut the parts into 30 minute intervals as to keep the synchronization.

Anybody want?

 

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BTW, to clear things up, as far as the Kakutou Shinseki II video, it's from the LIVE stream that was captured by yours truly and Ragnafrak. I used the first half of Rag's capture, then added the last half I captured, and added video from am.sega.jp for video that was messed up, and because there is no other footage available by any other means, I had to take footage of the final Minami/Heruru match (the last two-- Gpara.com had the first match) from the DVD. The original sound is used, so it's very choppy during some matches, but it's still watchable. I would have loved to see the DVD use the live sound instead of the in-game sound only, but I understand as there were 2 matches that went on simultaneously for the first couple of rounds.

BTW, it's now SEEKABLE, meaning you can watch the "happy birthday Shinz" footage without wating about an hour.

I hated to use DVD footage, because of copyright infringements, so I may just give all of the footage WITHOUT THE final two matches.... if someone here is gonna complain.

I'll hop on IRC later on and share them.

The files that are cut up into 30 minute segments have MP3 compression for the sound, and runs about 110MB each... so in all, it's less than 900MB for all 8 files that have the MP3 compression.

 

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Damn , I fuckin suck at that IRC program (gonna need help lol /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif).

But at least the files are gonna be available, though what time do you plan on being on at?

 

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Another one...

The underlay is done by the client.




The button color arrangement is also specified by the client (usually Greeen=G Blue=Punch Red=Kick.)

But do as you wish, and if you want a stick, you'll have to wait till I come back from Hawaii... vacation time!

 

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Hey, that's my stick. Looks awesome Catch! I can't wait to try it out.

I'm not going to keep that design, though, since me and junosynth are working on a new one right now. But we can switch it out ourselves since we probably won't be finished for a couple of weeks. That's what's hard about doing your own designs - you always want to improve on them so you're never satisfied. This next one uses the same basic idea but is a lot less messy and more refined and solid looking. We were in a rush to make that first design so that's why we decided to do another one.

But good going Catch and have fun on your vacation. Thanks for making me one of your famous sticks. Now I can play like a pro since your sticks have that magical quality to them. /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

paul

 

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Honestly, you can thank Sanwa for making a superior product. It's all in the stick. The base is just make-up.

Why don't the joystick makers in Japan such as Hori make a stick with Sanwa parts and offer it as a premium product, I don't know. Maybe market research says gamers won't shell out the moolah, I don't know...

 

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Yeah, Sanwa is the shit! And major props to whoever designs and draws the pics and cartoons I/we use for our sticks. I know I wouldn't know what to use for an underlay if it wasn't for using other peoples art. I can't draw a straight line.

But you put it all together, Catch22, and a lot of us wouldn't even know about what sticks are good and which ones aren't if it wasn't for you. I'd still be using the Ascii CvS2 stick and the Hori T4 stick if it wasn't for this thread (and the other one) and you doing this for us. Plus you make such cool bases and give us the option to use our own underlay designs with the ability to switch them out with relative ease. You're a VF Saint if you ask me.

 

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Catch22,

Is it possible to replace the VF4 evo stick with Sanwa parts?

 

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I've been looking out 4 the answer to that question above about the sanwa parts 4 a while-but there doesn't seem any reply (perhaps some people are ofcourse as lucky 2 go on a holiday this period /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
I have an occasion Tekken Tag Hori stick and would like 2 know if it's safe 2 throw it open and take out the unnecessary buttons...I checked the sanwa site too but me 'no habla japanese' so how is it possible 2 obtain these parts. Catch, if I didn't live in Europe I'd jump on my bike to get one of your sticks, but unfortately I'm a bad ocean swimmer /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif so I think it would even be faster 2 build my own-congrats on that site of you btw. I might have one built 4 me anyway: my dad makes wood furniture, i have friends in electrics and now a student in graphics design /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

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Well, here's the answer to you guys' question...




Conversion time was pretty quick. It takes about 1 and a half hours. If you guys are interested in the stick, I'm willing to part ways with it. I've only tested the thing for about 15 good minutes, and it hasn't seen any real play time. It was made specifically to the post that asked this, and to quench my wondering if this was possible.

The original stick shaft from the Namco stick was used in place of the Sanwa shaft due to it's length. It was too long to put into the stick. But the rest of the parts are Sanwa, as well as the buttons and switches. The smaller butttons on ttop are left stock.

I've got another stick to build for a customer, but I'll let you guys know when I'll be available for conversion of other sticks if some are interested.

 

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That's a clear answer indeed-suppose you're the arcade stick donkey-just gotta lift your tail and... /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
And the question about obtaining the Sanwa parts is clear too; they're just lying about at your place /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Unfortunately English isn't my native tongue and the sentence: ''I'm willing to part ways with it'' really doesn't ring a bell. /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif I think you want to say you're interested in selling them, but I'm not really sure. You can let me know if you do cause I would have some questions 4 u then.

 

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Since you claimed that the Sanwa parts are such superior products and the rest of a stick is basically make-up I'm also interested in converting a stick with Sanwa parts since I'm having a TTT-Hori myself. This is an answer to your question if 'some would be interested' Still not sure if you mean selling or helping to construct them. Don't wanna rush you with my posts here-It's just not clear 2 me (check the nr. of posts=I'm a newbie here)

 

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Just to make things crystal clear...

Sanwa parts are what you find on the arcade cabinets in Japan.... thus, it's the stuff on VFEvo Japanese cabinets. There were complaints of "not arcade parts...or feels mushy...or too loose." So I just investigated using arcade parts, more importantly, parts that you can find on JP cabinets. As for the superiority of Sanwa parts, the degree of superiority, like always, is within the user. I find the VF sticks by Hori very similar to them and very GOOD, but of course, "similar" and "exactly" arent' the same thing. There is no guarantee that you'll find a huge difference when using Sanwa parts though. So I ask those who have played with Sanwa parts, are they really that Superior??? IMO, yes, especially the sticks. The buttons are similar to Hori Sticks, but shaped a bit differently (more round on the Hori).

Yes, I'm SELLING the Namco stick. I don't want to quote prices here as I don't know if financial gain should be discussed on a public forum. So PM me if you're interested.

As far as obtaining the sticks, just email the Sanwa representative. Of hand, I don't know the email address,, but it's listed in this or the other "joystick" thread. It seems as though he ignores "small" orders, so it's not a gurantee that you'll get a response. Just look for an email address at the Sanwa site. That's what I did.

 

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Catch22 said:

As for the superiority of Sanwa parts, the degree of superiority, like always, is within the user. I find the VF sticks by Hori very similar to them and very GOOD, but of course, "similar" and "exactly" arent' the same thing. There is no guarantee that you'll find a huge difference when using Sanwa parts though. So I ask those who have played with Sanwa parts, are they really that Superior??? IMO, yes, especially the sticks. The buttons are similar to Hori Sticks, but shaped a bit differently (more round on the Hori).

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It's no contest for me. The Sanwa sticks are way more fluid and just feels better. An idiot can now crouch dash in and out like a pro and move around the whole screen real fast with these sticks. The Hori's I've tried like the VF4 stick, or the Evo stick, or the T4 stick don't even compare. I think they're the next best thing, but still far off from being as good as Sanwa. The only thing is Sanwa sticks and buttons are real sensitive, so it takes some time adjusting. You might miss a few angles when doing spod, or even double palm in combos, or find the knee harder to do with akira, but that just takes practice since you've been playing on crap sticks (and less sensitive buttons) all this time before that it takes time to get used to the best one out there. But once you get it down, you'll see how much more fluid the moves seem to come out, and how natural it feels.

Of course, it still is all about opinions. The sensitivity of the stick and buttons can turn some people off, so I can see why some people wouldnt like it. But I think if you want the absolute best thing out of a stick, then Sanwa is the way to go.

 

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With what I'm bout 2 say you have to take into consideration that my experience with sticks is very little-the only time I spent at the arcades with VF was a couple of days a year at the sea as a kid-and I've got my Hori Tekken just recently, so...but I walked into an arcade recently and found a VF4 machine (with a broken on the P1 side /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif)-hidden behind 2 MASSIVE SCII machines /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif I could only play 4 a brief time but really didn't find the difference that dramatic(I played on the P2 side BTW /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) but as I said I'm pretty far from a pro-that'll be for VF6 or so,don't mind about that though /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I wonder if European cabinets also use the Sanwa parts, I found in the threads that the Japanese machines do(so the Am. and Eu. probably don't but I'd like 2 know 4 sure)

Oh and Catch: I'd like 2 know if I can take off the ball of the TTT-Hori stick or if I have to screw out the whole stick by removing the bottom plate and taking out the screw at the bottom of the 'stick part'.
Oh yeah-I got 3 months guarantee(probably spelling err here) on my second hand stick cause my start button didn't always jump back /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif-So I'm gonna do a while with this stick now while heavily experimenting on it /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Can look 4 something else after those 3 months though /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I'm asking cause the ball really looks like two halves pasted-not all that solid-together so not really sure' if they'd survive 2 wrenches. I'm gonna try to take out the unnecessary buttons if possible without cutting wires ofcourse(my guarantee) Thing is that the 'change' button on my stick has the function of R1 of a pad so when I tape my 'extra' buttons down my wallpers can't be chosen(bit futile but annoying anyway)
And now I come 2 think of it: the select button is incredibly bad placed on the stick, it would be nice to give for e.g. the 'change' button the select function. But I'll probably understand if it's within my capacity as soon as I throw off the front.