Character Tournament Rankings in Japan

akai, question. Are you just using the results from the official sega sponsored tournaments for these stats? Are you including any other tournaments? I ask because I know that a lot of official tournaments don't seem to get a whole lot of participation unless they're in a busy location or if it's for KSIV... and even then turnout is low. I know that for my qualifer in Shibuya, we had a whole 8 people entered into the tourney... with 3 Vanessas, 1 Sarah, 1 Aoi, 1 Jacky, 1 Taka-Arashi (me) and 1 Shun.

 

Akira always be at the top in Japan.

 

Re: Version A Ranking Chart / Version B Raw Data

Wow, the results imply the following based on winning percentage of champs/semi-finalists:

S-Tier Kage
A-Tier Eileen, Taka, Pai, Sarah, Akira
B-Tier Jean, Lau, Jeffry, Jacky, Shun
C-Tier Wolf, Lion, brad, Lei, Aoi, Vanessa
D-Tier Blaze, Goh

But I suspect these are simply early days -- it's hard to believe Lion and Goh fell that far or that Kage and Taka rose that high.

 

Re: Version A Ranking Chart / Version B Raw Data

Taka definatly is hella strong now and upgraded in Ver B. This video says most of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGU52knPAtk
I think both his dmg output and how vunerable he is has improved

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 6-21-09)

I like these results very much!!! But how many times further need to be adjusted?

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 6-21-09)

Akai's latest numbers present a much more condensed tier list. The placemnts are based on champs as a percentage of the number who made it to the semi-finals or better.

Tier A: Jean (39%), Akira (37%), Kage (35%), Taka (35%), Eileen (34%), Wolf (31%), Lau (30%)

Tier B: Sarah (24%), Blaze (24%), Vanessa (23%), Jacky (21%), Aoi (19%), Brad (18%), Jeffry (18%), Lion (18%), Shun (15%), Pai (15%)

Tier C: Lei (9%), Goh (8%)

Most balanced VF ever?

I'm still really surprised to see Goh that low. My eyes tell me that he should be in the middle to upper tier with his high damage potential, but maybe there just aren't enough elite Goh players.

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 6-21-09)

Goh just isn't a popular character in Japan. I'm sure the results are similar for when he was considered top tier.

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

goh would place better if there were more matches to figure someone out more.. U can argue that with ne other character, but goh especially.

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

If you look at the percentage of champions from the final four, Version B is actually extremely balanced.

Check out close those percentages are:

taka 36%
eileen 35%
lau 32%
akira 30%
jean 29%
jeffry 28%
kage 25%
goh 25%
lei 23%
brad 22%
wolf 22%
shun 21%
lion 21%
sarah 21%
jacky 20%
vanessa 19%
blaze 17%
aoi 17%
pai 16%

There may not be an S or F tier character. I would place the tiers in the following manner based on the above:

Tier A: Taka, Eileen
Tier B: Lau, Akira, Jean, Jeffry
Tier C: Kage, Goh, Lei, Brad, Wolf, Shun, Lion, Sarah, Jacky, Vanessa
Tier D: Blaze, Aoi and Pai

However, you can just as easily make an argument for Taka and Eileen at the top followed by everyone else. Either way, the difference between the top and the bottom is closer than I've remembered it. Akai confirm/disconfirm?

(If only AM2 would reduce Taka's ridiculous RO potential, he'd probably fall back down into the pack.)

I go with champs as a percentage of the final four because the assumption is that counting off the final four eliminates all the lesser players entering tournaments for the heck of it. I.e., this percentage refers to how successful elite players are with their characters.

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

Here's Arcadia's tier list through June for version B of 5R. Stolen from Reno's posts.

S Rank: Taka-arashi, Wolf, Lion, El Blaze, Pai, Vanessa, Lei-Fei
A Rank: Goh, Akira, Jeffry, Lau, Eileen, Sarah, Jean, Aoi, Jacky, Kage
B Rank: Brad, Shun



To me tiers should always start with S and go down, so Arcadia has three tiers, Ice-9 expanded those to four. I'll treat your A as S and so on so I changed your post. Find the joke in that sentence.

Here's Ice-9's tier from the above linked thread with again the letters changed.

Tier S: Jean, Akira, Kage, Taka, Eileen, Wolf, Lau
Tier A: Sarah, Blaze, Vanessa, Jacky, Aoi, Brad, Jeffry, Lion, Shun, Pai
Tier B: Lei, Goh

Anyways, the game is obviously not as compressed as it looked a few months ago, but still it's remarkably balanced compared to every other game on the market right now. One or two more revisions (possibly in a Final Tuned style expansion) and the game will be complete. Even if you shuffle everyone around the tiers the compression is still high.

Now where is my console release?

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

There ain't any Nu's in VF

 

Re: VF5R Version B (5-22-09 to 9-14-09)

Empnova, I must admit that the way I group the tiers is totally arbitrary. I try to group characters where there seems to be a natural separation, but the cut-off poitns are simply not applicable from one data set to the next.

If you compare the latest data to the previous set from a few months back, there is no contest -- the latest set is more compressed despite my four arbitrary determined tiers.

Older set: Jean had the highest win rate at 39% and Goh had the lowest at 8% -- a 31% difference!

Latest set: Taka is highest at 36% while Pai has the lowest at 16% -- a 20% difference. This is what I mean by Version B showing even more balance.

If you went with the cut-off points I used in the old data set to the new one, the tiers would be

Tier A: Taka, Eileen, Lau, Akira
Tier B: Everyone else

Even more compressed...just two instead of three.