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Character Tournament Rankings in Japan

Discussion in 'Arcade' started by akai, Aug 19, 2007.

  1. Judah

    Judah Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    I don't know, Reno. Your synopsis is entirely possible, but Jeff just looks really mean in 'R, and not necessarily because he is easy to play with. I'd go as far as to say that Jacky and Lau are both about as easy to play.

    I think the majority of it has to do with the fact that he can be played safely and average about 85+ dmg per correct guess.
     
  2. Tricky

    Tricky "9000; Eileen Flow Dojoer" Content Manager Eileen

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    very good insight Reno, I didn't even think about movelist complexity. Though Shun is also doing very well and his movelist is friggn' huge. Maybe shun players just have better memory or something since they're used to a huge moveset?
     
  3. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Hmm, I think I see what you're saying, because by definition the normalization process will always create a big middle class. Let me think on this...

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want to use SD as a measurement of "balance," I think a better way to look at the data is the actual value of the standard deviation compared to another game's standard deviation value. You want to see how spread apart are the characters from one another. Thus, I don't think the data by itself can be used to say how balance the game is.</div></div>

    WHOA WHOA stop, I never said anything about balance. Let's not go down that road again... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
     
  4. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

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    As usual, the Semifinals, Finals, and Winners rankings is based on success rate (two types of calculation was used). Entry rankings is based on usage in tournaments. Lower numbers (1) is a better score than higher numbers (19).

    I do not think most of the characters rankings will dramatically changed in a month. The exceptions, I think, may be the winners ranks, especially, Jacky and characters that are less represented (Goh, Lei, Taka, etc)
     
  5. SDS_Overfiend1

    SDS_Overfiend1 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    Judging from these bum ass charts Shun has the most 1st plce Victories with 78 followed by Jacky's 70.

    Some body must'vecnducted this experient with these 2 in mind.
    Chat don't mean shit. I control my own fate.
     
  6. Cupcake_Desu

    Cupcake_Desu Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    wagghhh pais at the bottom, anyone know why shes ranked so low now
     
  7. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    Shun finalists record for winning first place 76-49.
    Jacky finalists record for winning first place 70-82.
    Jeffry finalists record for winning first place 69-56.

    How the "experiment was conducted" is based on the same formulas I used over a year ago for VF5 version B and C charts. The formulas does not change, player's ability to win and game system do change.

    Chat...do you mean chart? I do hope you control your own fate, as do the players success in the tournaments control their own fate that make up the charts.

    If you have forgotten the post and reply I made to you earlier...

    Unless I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say, I think you are not liking the charts based very little on the facts and more on ignorance. If I am wrong, please state more clearly the problems of the charts.
     
  8. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    I think the roster is biased in favor of characters whose names begin with letters from the first half of the alphabet.

    There! I too can make absurd statements that are statistically true. Do i get a cookie?
     
  9. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    Here is your cookie. (but you did not made your absurd statement to be statistically true, though :p)
     
  10. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    Yeah "S" is definitely towards the end of the alphabet.
     
  11. Cozby

    Cozby OMG Custom Title! W00T!

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    Hmm... I wish there were more Taka players. And Jean does well! That's good news /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
  12. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 1/7/09

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  13. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 1/7/09

    So Lei Fei is the least popular character (barring taka which we don't have) over there? That sounds like the exact opposite of the xbox live situation /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif
     
  14. SDS_Overfiend1

    SDS_Overfiend1 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    I never said i don't like the charts so please don't get it twisted Akai. I just was mentioning that charts is for playing in general whereas anybody can control their own fate at any giving time.
     
  15. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    While im not overfiend and I dont see particular problem in the charts, Id like to ask what are the sizes of the populations of a particular character? Or restrict that to the tournament winners of a particular character. Im curious do one or few players repeatedly win tournaments and skew the charts this way?
     
  16. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 10/31/08

    It is definitely possible/likely that one player entering in more tournaments can skew the data, for better or worse, in the charts. Off the top of my head, I can think of some players that consistently win tournaments. When I get home tonight I can give you a more thorough answer (I copied the names of the players who won each tournament in VF5R).

    Erdraug: pre-VF5R he was used a lot more (8th place out of 17 characters in both Version B and C).
     
  17. masterpo

    masterpo VF Martial Artist Bronze Supporter

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    Thanx for all the hard worx. Its much appreciated!
     
  18. erdraug

    erdraug Well-Known Member Content Mgr Vanessa

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    I find it intriguing how a character's userbase can change so fast in less than a year. Either the whole thing about beat em ups having "bandwagons" is true, or dunno, most of the lei fei players moved to taka and jean /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif
     
  19. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Manjimaru - long post. here is some numbers based on the tournament first place raw data category. Hopefully this gives you some idea on the quality of the data (good and bad).

    After the name of each character is a X/Y (%) numbers. X = number of unique VF ID; Y = number of first place wins with that character; % = average contribution to number of wins per unique ID. The following line then list the top 2 unique IDs, number of 1st place wins, and the % is the ID's contribution to number of wins for that specific character.


    Akira - 79/104 (1.32%)
    ★ ゴン太 ★ - 7 (6.7%)
    ムッキー晶 - 4 (3.8%)

    Aoi – 52/64 (1.23%)
    ★ ゴン太 ★ - 7 (10.9%)
    神武不殺☆ぉあ~い! - 3 (4.7%)

    Blaze – 39/48 (1.23%)
    ★ ゴン太 ★ - 5 (10.4%)
    ★ ゴン太くん ★ - 2 (5.1%)

    Brad – 28/34 (1.21%)
    無駄ラジャ駄無ナン- 4 (11.8%)
    木村 あやか - 3 (8.8%)

    Eileen – 48/54 (1.13%)
    ★ ゴン太くん ★ - 4 (7.4%)
    えんび~ - 2 (3.7%)

    Goh – 33/36 (1.09%)
    絶[ゼットン]屯 - 3 (8.3%)
    ∞ Sτυριd ∞ - 2 (5.6%)

    Jacky – 101/116 (1.15%)
    ひらがなであおき- 3 (2.6%)
    鉄人 - 3 (2.6%)

    Jean – 73/90 (1.23%)
    木村 あやか- 4 (4.4%)
    灘マンボっちちちちち- 3 (3.3%)

    Jeffry – 82/114 (1.39%)
    †劔聖☆まっくすν† - 8 (7%)
    でんきや- 6 (5.3%)

    Kage – 55/62 (1.13%)
    sαsμkεω隊員ω- 3 (4.8%)
    かげるぐぐ- 3 (4.8%)

    Lau – 85/108 (1.27%)
    ★ ゴン太 ★ - 11 (10.2%)
    品川師範 – 4 (3.7%)

    Lei – 27/32 (1.19%)
    サンジー法師 - 3 (9.4%)
    ★ ゴン太くん ★ - 2 (6.3%)

    Lion – 87/111 (1.28%)
    アルマジロ弟 - 10 (9%)
    ★ ゴン太 ★ - 5 (4.5%)

    Pai – 25/29 (1.12%)
    かごぱい - 2 (6.9%)
    竜胆 - 2 (6.9%)

    Sarah – 81/88 (1.09%)
    ぷよ- 3 (3.4%)
    いたる- 2 (2.3%)

    Shun – 76/118 (1.55%)
    KKK- 14 (11.90%)
    ★ ゴン太 ★ - 9 (7.6%)

    Taka – 35/41 (1.17%)
    磁石 - 3 (7.3%)
    おばさん- 2 (4.9%)

    Vanessa – 44/51 (1.16%)
    がま- 3 (5.9%)
    レンレン- 3 (5.9%)

    Wolf – 37/48 (1.3%)
    †劔聖☆まっくすν† - 8 (16.7%)
    おじっさ- 2 (4.2%)

    There are definitely individual players that can skewed data. To what extent, I am not sure. I think we would need to look at their success rate rather than just quantity of 1st place wins to determine how much they can skew the data. That will take even more time mining the data.

    P.S. If you have not noticed, ★ ゴン太 ★ is someone that won a lot of tournaments with many different characters. In total this person won 48 tournaments (3.6% of all the VF5R tournaments listed on Sega's VF website.
     
  20. Hath995

    Hath995 Member

    So now that you've pointed out this ★ ゴン太 ★ character (pronounced gonta?) I wondered if there were any videos of him online. i searched youtube and it pretty much showed only this guys profile. In the tags he has ゴン太 but his video's are too blurry to read his player name.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/djtom411

    His videos feature several of the characters he used listed above. Is this the same guy? My japanese isn't good enough to tell. Can anyone else find any videos of this beast?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC2OrjsvCHs <<look at this crazy lion outfit!
     

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