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Character Tournament Rankings in Japan

Discussion in 'Arcade' started by akai, Aug 19, 2007.

  1. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 7/25/08-8/17/08

    That's a good thing to keep in mind -- these numbers are just numbers and may hide certain things that are going on.

    Still though, outside of opinions from a few elite players, this is probably the best way of sussing out a tier list. It certainly at least makes for interesting conversation. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Once we get a few more months of data, the results should grow more robust.
     
  2. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 7/25/08-8/17/08

    NP akai, it was an interesting exercise for me. What would be great is if you could keep publishing the raw data along with your charts, so I and whoever else desires to can cut them in a different way.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The skill level between players entering the tournament will vary considerably (uncontrolled variable). I assumed since the tournament format eliminates players that should generally be "less skilled," those making it to the finals should be at a more comparable skill level.</div></div>

    I thought about the above for a bit...I think it makes sense so recut the data to reflect it. What I did was take the winning percentage of the number of champs from top 4 finishes.

    The results...

    1-2 sd above mean: Jeffry, Akira, Shun
    1 sd above/below mean: Kage, Sarah, Lion, Vanessa, Eileen, Taka, Jacky, Jean, Brad, Aoi, Lau, Lei
    1-2 sd below mean: Goh, Pai, Blaze, Wolf

    While no character was more than 2 sds above or below the mean (great news as this means the game is quite balanced), it's interesting to see Jeffry, Akira and Shun at the top -- two of three many here pointed out as top tier. Going with the above, it looks like Akira deserves to be mentioned along with Jeffry and Shun.
     
  3. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 7/25/08-8/17/08

    Thanks for these. Its really nice to see the numbers of participants per character pretty balanced.
     
  4. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

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  5. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Go go Jeffry!

    And what have they done to Lei?

    ps. Please have a link to the legend since I never remember how am I supposed to read that chart.
     
  6. KrsJin

    KrsJin Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Most of those numbers aren't what I expected at all. Looks like Shun is back to his Verion A-B days though /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
  7. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    The very first post in this topic explains how the chart should be read. If that does not make sense, let me know and I will try to elaborate on it or something.
     
  8. Jide

    Jide Joe Musashi Silver Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Even with all the changes. Goh doesn't look like a popular character at all.
     
  9. Sidna7

    Sidna7 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Nice to see that Shara and Lion got a boost!
     
  10. TheWorstPlayer

    TheWorstPlayer Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Damn Jeff. Here come the bandwagoners =)
    And people thought Shun would be broke.
     
  11. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    So in the 'ranking chart', lower number is better?

    In the 'total' chart, the numbers represent the amount of players who achieved that final standing in a tournament using the specific chacater? Or does this chart also use some sort of 'ranking'?
     
  12. Chief_Flash

    Chief_Flash Well-Known Member

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    wolf got a downgrade /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif
     
  13. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    In "ranking" chart, lower number is better.

    The "total" chart, is the raw data I collected that is used to make up the "ranking" chart. Some VFDC users like to see the raw data, so I add it along with the colored chart.
     
  14. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    For an alternative cut at the data, here's what I have on the basis of the tournament winner as a percentage of the tourney's final four.

    S tier (>2sd): Shun
    A tier (1sd to 2sd): Jeffry, Akira
    B tier (-1sd to 1sd): Lion, Sarah, Kage, Eileen, Jean, Jacky, Vanessa, Taka, Wolf, Aoi, Lau, Pai, Brad, Blaze
    C tier (-2sd to -1sd): Goh, Lei

    Conclusion? VF5R is a game so far with a big middle class and a few strong/weak characters.

    Shun is clearly top tier and Jeffry is close behind (he just missed the cut off to be 2sds above the mean). Akira is again top tier. Goh and Lei are bottom tier but quite decent; Goh just missed the cut off to be in the middle group and Lei's win percentage is about 1.5sd below the mean which isn't bad.
     
  15. KrsJin

    KrsJin Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    What was it they did to Lau to drop him so much? I figured he'd sit comfortably in his usual spot still haha.
     
  16. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    A little OT but KrsJin happy bday!
     
  17. KrsJin

    KrsJin Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Thanks a lot man /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif haha
     
  18. grynn

    grynn Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    Everybody got a serious boost, Lau only got an average boost it seems.
    He still seems to be more fun to play and that's the most important I guess.

    And happy Birthday /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
  19. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    If we had data for every fighting game, the way standard deviation is calculated, you will always have a "big middle class" for every fighting game.

    If you want to use SD as a measurement of "balance," I think a better way to look at the data is the actual value of the standard deviation compared to another game's standard deviation value. You want to see how spread apart are the characters from one another. Thus, I don't think the data by itself can be used to say how balance the game is.

    It is still too early to say confidently, but comparing the character specific match-ups of Lau players in version B, C, and R against Jeffry players:

    B - 78% (7-2)
    C - 63% (17-10)
    R - 17% (1-5)
     
  20. Reno

    Reno Well-Known Member

    Re: VF5R Character Ranking Chart: 9/16/08

    I think one thing to point out is that the standings for 5R are only based on 2 months of data, and seeing as that Jeffry is a relatively easy character to learn (his moveset isn't as massive as, say, Lei or Eileen) it's possible that a lot of Jeffry players have been able to do better with the new changes than other characters. I think as time passes you'll see Jeffry move down slightly... he won't go down to bottom tier but you might see him end up as an upper-mid tier character.
     

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