Can't anyone make it to the FINAL arcade!

In general I think human competition is much better (due to the "random" factor), but training against the AI is great for recognizing guaranteed situations, improving reflexes, and fundamentals.

Sometimes the AI's E-TTEG is so good, you have to find other ways to punish their option select (like using guaranteed instead of a throw). This is great because you learn to recognize certain situations and take the most educated approach. They never make a mistake, so you have to be on your toes at all times. This is good. /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

Listen to this MAN!! He plays more Quest Mode and Ver. C kumite than all the East Coast players combined. IMO Dre is one of the best and most technically skilled players in NA and he plays by himself! Of course he comes down every so often to get fuelled up on some HOTNESS! /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif But other than that he plays with "0" human competition. DRE is living proof you can take it to the next level with Quest Mode training.

We're getting off topic here, I'm not questioning the credibility of human competition but the Quest Mode Final Arcade AI is the best high level competition your going to get playing by yourself on a regular basis. It makes you trick tight at the basics and in NA that's pretty much all you need, I promise.

 

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Sure we may not have to worry about ETTEG now, but dont keep discounting NA play, because every tournament the bar gets raised higher, and you dont know whos practicing more than you do

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I'm not trying to discount NA play (if it has any face to lose?), just stating some facts. That'll be neat if E-TTEG becomes the standard of play in NA before VF5. Practicing more is what this thread's about. I effing hope there's someone out there right now practicing more than I am. /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif


imo, nobody in NA has a large enough group to play with where quest mode wouldn't be of some help to their game at the moment.

 

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imo, nobody in NA has a large enough group to play with where quest mode wouldn't be of some help to their game at the moment.

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Even if they did have a large enough group, I doubt that all the members of that group would be able to progress to the last arcade with a decent win average ratio.

 

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Even if they did have a large enough group, I doubt that all the members of that group would be able to progress to the last arcade with a decent win average ratio.

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Who gives a WILD RAT FUCK about your win percentage. Your not in Japan, your not connected to VF.net, your a console bitch, win percentage means absolute DICK! I'll come to a gathering with my 40% Jacky and throw you around for countless matches. JESUS CHRIST! Just get better, stop bitchin.

Sorry, your right, not all players can make it to the last arcade. BUT, that's why Quest is so good. If they want to progress it allows them to do so and its a challenge! I'm telling you if you can get a decent win%(above 50%) in the last arcade you can play with anyone in NA competitively! later.

 

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Who gives a WILD RAT FUCK about your win percentage. Your not in Japan, your not connected to VF.net, your a console bitch, win percentage means absolute DICK! I'll come to a gathering with my 40% Jacky and throw you around for countless matches. JESUS CHRIST! Just get better, stop bitchin.

Exactly /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

Dumb ass, the reason you care about your win percentage is to know how well you are doing against the AI. If you went from 90% to 40% percent against the AI, you are obviously not getting that much better, if better at all.

Win ratio is important no matter what you play, and it still is a matter of your opinion vs mine, so don't correct me unless I mix up FACTS.

 

Emp : Well your win % is definitely going to drop if you only play at the last arcade once you finally have it unlocked. That is unless you're so good you can keep winning at some uncanny percentage there too. What's your win % in the final arcade?

 

/versus/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif<font color="red"> STFU NEWB!! </font> /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif /versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

aHEEEEEM
I just looked into my crystal ball(s) (i got alot from me looting days)

it appears that emp will say

' BLONDIE..U SUCK..STAy ON TOPIC!!!!...THIS IS A ETC ETCX'

solli..my ball cracked~ cannot see anything anymore.

But...

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The reason why some Kage players are doing d+k instead of a light down attack, is due to the fact that if the opponent quick rolls they might eat a back stagger combo, and if they stay prone there is a slight chance to hit a light down attack after the d+k.



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STFU NEWB!

 

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They delay because their opponents can E-TTEG. It only adds another layer to the game play, making you think about A-TE, it's true that A-TE doesn't work against the ai for all the same reasons that it works against ppl. But you're taking a much bigger risk when you delay your reaction to a throw counterble attack than if you had thrown. Something I'd like to point out is that NOBODY in NA uses E-TTEG in standard game play! If you can't E-TTEG, why should anyone (even the ai) ever delay their attacks against you? The fact that the ai throws everytime it has a guaranteed opportunity won't be hurting your game as far as competing in NA goes. Mind games are all about being good! Quest mode ai can help players in NA build good fundamentals.



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I will second to this. In the recent Kakutoshinseiki tournament, I found it interesting to see Minami Akira
doing Shoudler ram or Double palm instead of ETTEG after moves like or get blocked. His Akira was apparently in disadvantaged situations, but Chibita went for delaying his attacks or throw to catch Minami's ETTEG.(ETTEG becomes normal evade when attacks are delayed)
In my opinion, this is a level beyond the "using-throw escape- guard" level, because the tactic(Keep attacking in disadvantaged situation by anticipating delayed attacks or throws )can be only happening when your opponents know that you are very very capable of doing ETTEG.
In other words, Chibita knew Minami is capable of doing it, so he went for another option ,but Minami also thought ahead of it.)

Now back to reality,

If there is someone in NA who can't do ETTEG well
against A.I which does throw him in almost every guranteed throw situations, it is your chance to learn that fundamental aspect of the game but not complain
A.I doesn't use delayed attack or throw in the situations.

Like it was mentioned before, in Ver C, computer doesn't know garanteed situations as well as that of Evo, so it was hard to practice and learn the "fundamental(ETTEG)" just by playing Kumite mode over and over.
Now we have a much smarter one(Quest opponents),
so until someone gets to the level beyond the ETTEG level, the smart A.I will help the player build his fundamental and practice it.

Someone who is not in the level beyond ETTEG needs
to worry about ETTEG at this point until he gets past
that level, and A.I in the 8th arcade can help the player
accompish that.

That's my point and I think IMF's point as well here.

 

In the Minami vs Chibita fight, Minami threw the b,f+p+k which Chibita blocked.

Minami follwed with: a crouching back dash, then the FC shrm.

Chibita used a delayed b,b+k which took higher priority and gave him the p+k, b,f+p+kpp follow up.

As for Minami being a unique player, this is very true, he uses very little in the way of complex button inputs and techniques, but effectively utilizes the basics to the fullest extent. Though you have to take in mind that he knows a ton about each character, and doesn't hesitate to use the SpoD and DLC whenever applicable. I think his win average is still in the 90%'s.

 

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As for Minami being a unique player, this is very true, he uses very little in the way of complex button inputs and techniques, but effectively utilizes the basics to the fullest extent.

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wtf are you talking about?


Just curious, the few players that I've talked to are able to hold a high win% at sega east after some practice. imo, 70-80% is pretty good. How are other ppl doing?

 

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As for Minami being a unique player, this is very true, he uses very little in the way of complex button inputs and techniques, but effectively utilizes the basics to the fullest extent. Though you have to take in mind that he knows a ton about each character, and doesn't hesitate to use the SpoD and DLC whenever applicable. I think his win average is still in the 90%'s.

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Hmm. As a reply to my post, yours is not very

apporopriate because I didn't try to say that Minami is

good.

(You are right on Minami that he is unique and good,

but that was not my point here.)

 

Hm.. Winning percentage can be nothing or important

but for an answer for IMF's Q, here is mine. ( I use

Akira.)

I lost my memory card during the trip to

NYC. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif so I started the whole thing over again.

I would say that my winning percentage before I lost

my card was about 74%, and 55-60% in the 8th arcade

alone.

After I started over, I disregard all the quest and items

cause I wanted to play against the best CPU, so played

the minimum number of games necessary until I

unlocked the 8th arcade. I played a bit over 1,000

games from then and overall 86% with Small Haou

ranking. The percentage is kind of steady thesedays.


I think that the difficulty in playing against CPU is

absolutely <font color="black"> </font> depends on the style

of player and what character he uses. I think it is easier

to do it with Akira than with other characters.

 

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Dumb ass, the reason you care about your win percentage is to know how well you are doing against the AI. If you went from 90% to 40% percent against the AI, you are obviously not getting that much better, if better at all.

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Having a high win percentage against the AI, only means your good against the AI, nothing more. Please dont reiterate my statements about AI only being so good, and then pull off that hypocritical statement.

 

"Dumb ass, the reason you care about your win percentage is to know how well you are doing against the AI. If you went from 90% to 40% percent against the AI, you are obviously not getting that much better, if better at all. "

This is true though, and had nothing to do with your agrument/discussion, at least not as much as you want it to...

 

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I think it is easier

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Why do you think that though? Is it because of the AI not dealing with Akira player effectively, Akira is a better character (maybe the best), or other?

This opinion seems to be commonly shared amongst a good amount of people, so as you are an experienced Akira player I would like to know your opinion please, thanks!

 

Here's my opnion why its probably easier with akira, It's because he is OVERPOWERED. /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

Nice! 1000 games since the NY event?! /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I've only gotten to the last arcade with Kage so far, my rank is Haoh: 3832 - 975 79.7%. I use the same file at gatherings here, and when I play blondie too, so it's hard to tell what my quest mode win rate is. For the last arcade it's somewhere between 90-95% on average now, when I first opened sega east before the NY event it was probably around 70%.

Keep up the good games madagascar~ ~ ~! /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif