Can ANYONE do Akira's moves using the PS2 controller?

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hikarutilmitt said:

Thanks for calling me and a few others liars, you punk. /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Just because you cannot do it yourself does not mean that others cannot. I happen to hold the buttons on the DS2 just like when I'm holding my arcade stick buttons and it works very well. The only reason I use an arcade stick while playing, at all, is for using Akira since I need more speed from my inputs that the d-pad cannot give me.

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Sorry if I hurt your feelings or ego but I still stand by it. I'll say I'm sorry and even bake a complementary cookie when I see proof of this move being used conistently on a pad (that's NOT being able to make it once after 30min in training mode mind you).

As to you holding your pad as a stick, I highly doubt that. I put my stick on the desk, do you do the same with your pad? You use your right hand to press the buttons, sure, but what do you hold the pad with then? Or is it on the table as a stick is or resting in your lap?
You also say that you don't use any other specially binded keys (L1,L2 and so on) - how do you do when you press 3 keys at once on your super super pad that you would never give away exept you get some extra speed on the stick from time to time? Your hand can not, according to me, be ready for every situation from doing a reversal to doing spod to making k+g and p+k moves while holding the pad in your hand. And you sure as hell can't do a knee consitently as you still can not slide with your finger over the small buttons on your pad while holding it. Not in my world.
Sorry if I make you mad but remember that I am a punk and all, prove me wrong.

 

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TP_KiwE said:

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hikarutilmitt said:

Thanks for calling me and a few others liars, you punk. /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Just because you cannot do it yourself does not mean that others cannot. I happen to hold the buttons on the DS2 just like when I'm holding my arcade stick buttons and it works very well. The only reason I use an arcade stick while playing, at all, is for using Akira since I need more speed from my inputs that the d-pad cannot give me.

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Sorry if I hurt your feelings or ego but I still stand by it. I'll say I'm sorry and even bake a complementary cookie when I see proof of this move being used conistently on a pad (that's NOT being able to make it once after 30min in training mode mind you).

As to you holding your pad as a stick, I highly doubt that. I put my stick on the desk, do you do the same with your pad? You use your right hand to press the buttons, sure, but what do you hold the pad with then? Or is it on the table as a stick is or resting in your lap?
You also say that you don't use any other specially binded keys (L1,L2 and so on) - how do you do when you press 3 keys at once on your super super pad that you would never give away exept you get some extra speed on the stick from time to time? Your hand can not, according to me, be ready for every situation from doing a reversal to doing spod to making k+g and p+k moves while holding the pad in your hand. And you sure as hell can't do a knee consitently as you still can not slide with your finger over the small buttons on your pad while holding it. Not in my world.
Sorry if I make you mad but remember that I am a punk and all, prove me wrong.



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Hers's how I do it when I use a pad.

Hold the pad normally.

Square - Guard
R1 - Punch
R2 - Kick

With this set up you can press any combination of buttons without having to shift grips. Using thumb, index and middle finger for each button respectively.

To knee all you have to do is scrape the edge of square with your thumbnal as you press down with your middle finger on kick.

What exactly makes the above so impossible for you to believe? Yes of course I'd rather use a stick, yes of course it's harder to do with a pad. But hardly even approaching impossible.

 

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TP_KiwE said:

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hikarutilmitt said:

Thanks for calling me and a few others liars, you punk. /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Just because you cannot do it yourself does not mean that others cannot. I happen to hold the buttons on the DS2 just like when I'm holding my arcade stick buttons and it works very well. The only reason I use an arcade stick while playing, at all, is for using Akira since I need more speed from my inputs that the d-pad cannot give me.

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Sorry if I hurt your feelings or ego but I still stand by it. I'll say I'm sorry and even bake a complementary cookie when I see proof of this move being used conistently on a pad (that's NOT being able to make it once after 30min in training mode mind you).

As to you holding your pad as a stick, I highly doubt that. I put my stick on the desk, do you do the same with your pad? You use your right hand to press the buttons, sure, but what do you hold the pad with then? Or is it on the table as a stick is or resting in your lap?
You also say that you don't use any other specially binded keys (L1,L2 and so on) - how do you do when you press 3 keys at once on your super super pad that you would never give away exept you get some extra speed on the stick from time to time? Your hand can not, according to me, be ready for every situation from doing a reversal to doing spod to making k+g and p+k moves while holding the pad in your hand. And you sure as hell can't do a knee consitently as you still can not slide with your finger over the small buttons on your pad while holding it. Not in my world.
Sorry if I make you mad but remember that I am a punk and all, prove me wrong.



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Jesus, how many times must I explain to people how I hold the controller?

I hold in in my lap or on my bed in front of me. I hold the d-pad like normal (with my thumb) and press Sq/Tri/Cir with my index/middle/ring fingers, respectively. I don't NEED to bind keys because I press the buttons just as I do on my stick. And I don't slide my finger across the button like everyone else seems to do, I actually press it really fast. And, yes, that is entirely possible.

Granted, it's far easier for me to do DLC or the 1-frame-knee with my stick, I can still reliably do the 1FK on my pad and am about 50-60% DLC on the pad (the stupid + is hard to do with just the thumb). I can SPoD almost 100% on the pad, which is, in fact, a bit easier for me than on a stick.

You want to now what else? I use a Shadowblade as my stick. Yeah, the bane of arcade sticks that everyone thinks is so horrid. Yet, I just used it to finish all of the challenges on Evo.

So, like I said, just because YOU cannot use a DS2 to do things in the game does not mean that others cannot. I learned using a DS2 and I'm going to keep using it until the time comes when I'm better at using a stick with all of my characters (I'm better using Aoi on pad but better using Akira on stick).

Now, STFU about people not being able to do this stuff.

 

Hi! You're lame!
Juuuust fucking with you. Sorry if I bruised your ego there.
But I'll stand by it! /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I just wanted to toss in this: When person A says "I can do this in VF" and person B says "that's bullshit, it's impossible"... person B is usually wrong. Check the links!

1. Explanation of how to use the pad like a stick... not surprisingly it's in one of the 10,000 old threads where people claim the knee or some other VF moves is impossible. As an added bonus, scroll down that thread and you'll notice people expressing shock at the idea of me using a stick. That's because I don't. I'm just too cheap and lazy to buy one, it's not against my religion or anything. I've been padding forever, ask anyone.

2. Me doing six knees in a row on a pad. I'm not even half good with akira, and certainly I don't have the pad dexterity of akira zero or the goldens.

 

Basically this is what I have learned from this discussion (that is noteworthy):

-all moves are easily possible on the pad, as long as you practice them for sufficient amounts of time

-the moves are also possible to be performed consistently (if Creed can do the knee 6 times in a row, then surely the better pad players can), no matter the difficulty

-while the game is desinged for Arcade Sticks, the way the controls are modified for a pad are basically the same, just with a different size and layout (and the combined buttons p+k / k+g / p+k+g / etc.)

-and of course to solve the question of this topic "Can ANYONE do Akira's moves using the PS2 controller?, it seems, yes, is the answer.

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PS: Creed, you did the knee on one of those programable pads right /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif?

 

I love it when the VF BUM speaks, hahahaha. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanks pookie, you saved me a lot of time, hassle and me not having to use my P.I.M.P. hand. /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

Hey, tough guys / bashers (that means Creed and Hikarutillmit) - is it fun using words like lame and punk?
I don't know what either of you has proved yet but I'd like to be able to say that I will not believe it until I see it and at that point I'll take it back without hearing shit like that (smiley or not).
What has either of you proved? Creed in the thread you linked yourself to you say that the DLC is
" it's impossible without a joystick. You were probably using a pad, right? Everything else is doable on a pad, but I had 0% with DLC as well. " (I have myself done DLC on a pad but people need to learn what a reliable move really is).
And you're here, now, talking in the defence for those who say they can do all of akiras moves consitently on a pad by using yourself as an example? (Thanks for the video btw, never thought about training it with that type of command input on, always used frames but that's better)
Do you forward dash f,f before doing the knee in versus aswell btw?

And then we have
"Granted, it's far easier for me to do DLC or the 1-frame-knee with my stick, I can still reliably do the 1FK on my pad and am about 50-60% DLC on the pad" from hikarutillmit?
(Who the hell can base their combos / play around a move that they can get out in 50% of the time? And that's probably in training aswell and not even versus!).

Nevermind, better stop this before more of the tough guys (who some are padusers) have to prove their might and I'll get picked on like Empnova.

Merry Christmas!

 

Re: Is this enough?

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kungfusmurf said:

VF BUM speaks, hahahaha. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif
pookie, DumbAss, FuckTard STFU
Dickwitch , wanker /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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hikarutilmitt said:
you punk. STFU /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif


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CreeD said:

You're lame!
Juuuust fucking with you. Sorry if I bruised your ego there.



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Look guys, Creed proved that the moves are possible, so unless you can contribute something positive to this topic, don't troll each other endlessly with petty name calling, please.

By now, we all should have learned from everyone's posts, that the Knee, DLC, Spod, and every other move in the game are all possible with the pad, it just takes practice.

 

lol, first off - "lame" is pretty mild, and I sensed that by saying it that way and using smileys, he wouldn't get offended. The proof -
<pre>
[4:39pm]« hikaru_t » <[KreeD0> did you see my lil movie?] - I'm fixing to dl it, actually
[4:39pm]«@ Jerky`» by all means
[4:39pm]« hikaru_t » just for kicks
[4:39pm]« jide » jerky i can
[4:39pm]« hikaru_t » i didnt take it personally, either, i was just curious
[4:39pm]«@ Jerky`» jide: d,df,f
[4:39pm]«@ Jerky`» yay
[4:39pm] [KreeD0][ hikaru_t ] that's cool then =D
...
[4:40pm]« hikaru_t » lol, thats awesome
</pre>

Second, it's not bullying to point out when someone's wrong, especially if they stubbornly refuse to believe it. It's something you gotta get used to on any message bored. I've had my share of people correcting me on this board, and many times they weren't half as nice as I am. Granted that example is over the line, but my point is just that you shouldn't overreact to the mild stuff and act all martyred.

and for the record the DLC is STILL damned hard on the pad. I used the strongest word I could - "Impossible" - with that poster because I want someone who's just learning to spend their time on something practical. It'd take 5 times as much practice to master the DLC on a pad as it would on a stick, and I think that poster could use his practice hours in better ways (since the DLC was and still is pretty weak as a float combo finisher).

I don't literally believe it's IMPOSSIBLE, I just can't do it, and have yet to see anyone do it reliably. If I were to say it's impossible with a straight face, I'd probably be wrong. I wouldn't phrase it the same way to, say, AkiraZero.

 

DLC on a pad using only three buttons : props to the ones who can pull it off. I personally don't think that using 3 buttons is a good option when using a pad, especially for Akira but there's some who feel completly comfortable with it. So it's definitly possible to be very good and effective with him. I don't have the patience and precision to use 3 buttons (guess I'm a scrub /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif) I focus on strats, patterns, traps... more than anything else. The movelist isn't worth shit if your game isn't worth shit.

 

Hey TP_KiwE, look hikarutilmitt was probably offended because you said if someone told me that they were able to do all of Akira's techniques with pad I won't believe them. The not believing part is fine that's just your willness to accept that information. But you went on to say not only that you won't believe them. But also that the person was probably Bull Shitting to impress newbies which I would be offend too since I myself take my credibility seriously. /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Oh yeah some people who use a pad don't all use fingers to play VF some use their right Thumb in a C layout without any button configs on the DS2. Lastly I'm done trying to convince you of the fact. So until we meet and play for real, I hope we're all good. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Re: Is this enough?

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EmpNovA said:

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kungfusmurf said:

VF BUM speaks, hahahaha. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif
pookie, DumbAss, FuckTard STFU
Dickwitch , wanker /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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hikarutilmitt said:
you punk. STFU /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif


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CreeD said:

You're lame!
Juuuust fucking with you. Sorry if I bruised your ego there.



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Yeah, way to conveniently hack up our posts, man. And WTF did you do to kingsmurf's?!

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Look guys, Creed proved that the moves are possible, so unless you can contribute something positive to this topic, don't troll each other endlessly with petty name calling, please.

By now, we all should have learned from everyone's posts, that the Knee, DLC, Spod, and every other move in the game are all possible with the pad, it just takes practice.

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As stated already, I knew Creed was joking. We covered that in chat just to be 110% sure about it. And you also just reposted the deal with the topic, itself, for the ten-millionth time.

God, I need to go up to Austin to play, some time.

 

Re: Is this enough?

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Jedi pausing the game and saying, "Fuck this, I am going home, I just got hit with a dlc from a pad player" Done by kungfusmurf.


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I was reminded of this when all this nonsense kicked off. It's from some nyg3 report from last September. In case you're wondering, a party other than Jedi or Smurfy posted this way back when. Personally, I don't want to use Akira with a pad unless my left thumb done pissed me off again or I just feel like being an asshole by showing off my 1 outa 10 m-dbpm pad prowess /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

CreeD...NICE KNEES!

Which reminds me. It just so happens the command for knee in VF1 was +(scrape) so them was practically VF1 knees in that vid. I love dash>knee...it looks cool. I love >Knee cause it looks cool and you can buffer the damed thing. I love the 90 pts I get from open stance MC yoho,p,shrm,knee. I love knee OTB. I love postmortem knee knee knee taunting. That fucking knee fucking rocks.

 

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Heh yeah, the knee rocks. I did all of those knees using f,f+K+G. I'd like to claim it's force of habit from playing VF1, but I didn't play VF1. It just seems easier that way, and in practical play dashing into knee is very common. If there's anyone left who has trouble with the knee, try this absolutely useless trick - tap forward a couple of times before doing it, as if you were doing f,f+K+G.

 

Re: Is this enough?

The reason you can pull of the knee on pad creed, by doing a dash forward first (and I do for the record not see that as "common" in the clips I've seen - if you have to use this method I *still* don't see it as consistently, neither if you have to reposition your hand and get used to it to do it as it's not appliable in vs then ) is due to when using dash , back dash , CD forward and CD backwards if you enter the dash command and then enter a attack command, there will be a delay of one frame even if you buffer the command . But by entering the directional button portion of the attack command in the first half of the buffer period (when only directional commands are recognized), you can avoid this delay and launch your attack as quickly as possible.