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Basara

Discussion in 'Goh' started by Leonard_McCoy, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    You can still hold back after P+K+G in SPoD but seems like you can hold it for longer in Basara seeing as you can enter all the inputs slower. This could just all be in my head though, is there any way of testing out how fast both these moves can be inputted?
     
  2. Sebo

    Sebo Well-Known Member Content Manager Taka Content Manager Jeffry

    PSN:
    Sebopants
    Sorry for the delayed response;

    Ahem, but both are 20 frame mids. I feel as if Vanessa's DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is slow than Jeffry's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, and as a result I don't use it as often, but they're still the same speed and what I feel is wrong.

    As for the timing for the follow up hits; that's irrelevant. Practice made it so I have no difficulty performing either, and I can say the same for other players that expand their base of sub characters.

    I mean, there are numerous things in this game that are the same frames but you wouldn't necessarily see it as such, but... ??????? *long, tense pause that adds emphasis*

    What are we trying to get at?

    "I perceive Jeffry's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif to be very painful for him to perform, and..."
     
  3. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

    PSN:
    Myke623
    XBL:
    Myke623
    Two different things are being discussed here.

    1. speed of initial attack
    2. speed (requirement) of 3-hit combo input

    While the speed of the initial attack (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif) may be identical to both, the input speed requirements for the entire combo may not necessarily be the same. The "perceived" speed differences reported may very well be because they are indeed different.

    This is something KoD could very easily test with his programmable input device.
     
  4. SUGATA

    SUGATA Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    SUGATA_RUS
    We have a discussion with my comrade:is the Basara just frame move?-About command input wrote: P+K+G, then press 43P+K DURING HIT...but P+K+G has Act(hit phase)=1fr.
     
  5. Shag

    Shag Well-Known Member

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    ShagPSN
    XBL:
    Shagnificent
    Its definitely not a just frame attack. You can buffer the inputs for the Basara combo.
     
  6. SUGATA

    SUGATA Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    SUGATA_RUS
    I think that "buffer" 43P+K simple ends at the same time as P+K+G hits an opponent, so you think you can buffering this.
     
  7. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    codiak
    FSV of very easily == repeatedly walking back and forth between the tv and computer tweaking the programming of the timing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

    Seriously though, I'll add it to the list.
     
  8. sanjuroAKIRA

    sanjuroAKIRA Well-Known Member

    Fastest spod input timing won't get you basara.

    Slowest basara input timing won't get you spod.

    It feels like there is a timing which will give you both.

    Just my sense of things.
     
  9. jonasg33k

    jonasg33k Active Member

    Is the basara possible after the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, this attack seems to cause staggering to the crouched opponent but I'm not sure that the basara has enough range to catch the opponent.
    Actually I perform my basara "from nowhere" using surprise when my opponent is lowering his guard.

    Does the basara bringin more damage than /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif ?
    I know that low throw can be countered but since opponents always try to counter tsukami, the other one is a good and safe choice
     
  10. Johoseph

    Johoseph Well-Known Member

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    Lau of America
    If your /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hits at max distance your Basara will be too short. Otherwise it's a good (although dangerous) option if you think they might abare or duck to avoid a throw. It's not guaranteed though if that's what your asking.

    As for the other question, hit up dojo mode and keep this page open (or print it out if your PC isn't near your xbox):
    http://virtuafighter.com/wiki/doku.php?id=vf5:goh:black_book_combos
    It'll give you all the answers you need for the best combos and which does more damage (you can see the damage in dojo mode).
     
  11. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

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    manjimaruFI
    XBL:
    freedfrmtheReal
    I just tested this. You can buffer the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif as fast as you want after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. Just input the two first commands as fast as you want. However, you cant press the last command /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif until the second attack has hit.

    Actually, the last attack might qualify as a just-frame attack, as it needs to be inputted when the second attack hits. Although theres still couple frames window to do it I think.
     
  12. SUGATA

    SUGATA Well-Known Member

    PSN:
    SUGATA_RUS
    Then, is the Akira's SPoD the same input mechanic(simple buffering all elements of this move)?

    And also i really want to know why Basara<<SPoD:
    -SPoD is possible to opponent's back; Basara is not launch.
    -SPoD is Mid range; Basara is Close range.
    -SPoD can be performed from Back-Turned position: Basara can not.
    ...all other characteristics is the same. So why Basara really sucks as compared with SPoD (imho)?
     
  13. Seidon

    Seidon The God of Battle walks alongside me! Content Mgr El Blaze

    Because Akira hits HARD!(?)
     
  14. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    You can't do SPoD to an opponents back, only the side and the front.

    And if Basara input is same as SPoD then it shouldn't matter when you press the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif//forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif... You can enter it all at fastest input.
     
  15. Jide

    Jide Joe Musashi Silver Supporter

    PSN:
    Blatant
    Yes you can Spod an opponent with their back turned. You couldn't in vf4 evo in final tuned they addressed that.
     
  16. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    You sure about this Jide?! Just tried in dojo and I get the side and front 100% but doesn't work to their back at all.
     
  17. Plague

    Plague Well-Known Member

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    plague-cwa
    XBL:
    HowBoutSmPLAGUE
    No SPoD to the back.
     
  18. Gernburgs

    Gernburgs Well-Known Member

    With the last /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif of the Basara I usually have to mash it or it won't come out. If I just do the whole thing fastest input, I only get the first two hits and Goh never does the slam. If I do the first two inputs at my fastest speed and then mash 6P, I'll get the whole thing.
     
  19. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    Another thing about Sugata's post...

    SPoD isn't mid range right? I'd say it's close just like Goh's Basara.
     
  20. Combolammas

    Combolammas Sheep

    I always do it all as fast as I can and it works fine.

    Only thing I can think of that could make a difference is that I always go neutral between inputs so I do 43P+K,5,6P at the end.
     

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