Bad Games Thread

First of all, let's get it straight: Abuse is something that can be used repeatedly and not have any sort of weaknesses. Now DM p+k is widely acknowledged to be very punishable and risky to use. How can it be abused if that's the case? It doesn't make sense.

Well that's respectable but honestly, who makes up these rules? Is there some secret VF international club I'm not aware of that say, "Don't use, DM p+k b/c it's bad!" Why limit yourself? Aren't you supposed to use all the game's mechanics to their fullest potential? I mean there are plenty of cheap abusable moves(DM p+k surely is not one of them I asure you) I find highly annoying as well but I don't whine and complain or worse, just pull the plug or stop fighting and just jump out of the ring. You can easily punish DM p+k; punch and kick is guarenteed, throwing, doing DM p+k right back, delaying your attack, doing a circular attack, etc. I mean seriously. How is it any different from Wolf's sidestep throw which I see being used often by even high rank players. It's just pathetic to see these supposedly high rank players acting childish! How can you truly consider yourself a good VF player? They're no better than people like Darthminion and Templario. How so? If they don't get their way, they behave in a immature manner instead of adapting and trying to beat the other guy. Isn't that what fighting games are all about? Dr Familia, that's because I don't always use DM p+k...I only use it against those who are susceptible to it. Sometimes I do it out of habit though but then again, aren't you supposed to play on your opponents weaknesses? If I notice that my opponent doesn't like to block low, I'm gonna keep hitting him low until he does something about it...How else are they gonna learn?

Sorry but I don't see your analogy of how using a down attack after a KO is the same as using DM p+k everytime you're at disadvantage; when you hit an already KO'ed opponent, the opponent can't do anything back to you whereas when using DM p+k, the opponent can. Seriously, it's funny how some of you contradict yourself. You say that DM p+k is risky and easy to deal with but when someone uses it on you, you make it out to be some form of ultra broken, cheesy, cheap tactic. You don't always have to block everytime you have advantage...that's just what you think. Like I said, I think it's just a matter of people being ill prepared at dealing w/ DM p+k...they get a DM p+k in the face and they just freeze and suddenly don't know what to do. I'm not saying I'm a pro but hey, I'm not complaining about it nor have I ever pulled or stopped in the middle of the match and just jump out of the ring. I've learned to deal with it and that sure as heck ain't the way. BTW, I'll be sure to avoid said players if they don't like my style...I don't prefer playing w/ players who make up their own rules anyway. All I gotta say is, if and whenever you enter a tournament where the rules aren't your own and anything can be used, acting like that ain't gonna help you.

 

I wonder why people limit theirselves to just DM p+k too.

Nah, you can just do DM p+k spam.

Anything can be cheap and abusable with the lagz.

Not like it matters much but Wolfs is one of the easiest to deal with.

 

"I wonder why people limit theirselves to just DM p+k too."

- Is it your rank that's on the line? No so why don't you worry about yourself. Also I don't limit myself to just DM p+k. If I did, wouldn't that be embarassing to all the high ranked players I've won against(yes even you) if I was truly using just that?

"Nah, you can just do DM p+k spam."

- You love to exaggerate don't you? I can do that but I'd get punished. Still, it can be useful against people who don't know how to deal against it. *AHEM*

"Anything can be cheap and abusable with the lagz."

- Then why are you complaining about DM p+k when ANYTHING can be cheap and abusable with the lagz? Exactly. Can anybody say flawed logic?

"Not like it matters much but Wolfs is one of the easiest to deal with.'

- And DM p+k isn't? I thought you said it was super easy to deal with? LOL a bit contradictory isn't it?

 

MINDFUCK! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Anyways, I realised after your second post that you're not grasping this. Sorry for trying to make light of the situation!

Arghh, this guy never stops!

 

I countered every of your statements. It's okay. Stop making sense? Nope, not me! =D

 

You just said lots of randomess and failed to understand anything anyone else said.

+10 points

 

LOL. Don't sweat it Tsua. If people don't wanna play u they don't have to. I will prolly try and avoid ur brad in ranked, but i will still drop in from time to time. On the other hand, i'll excercise my right to pull (BEFORE THE MATCH ONLY) when i don't feel like playing him. Just keep doing ur thing. I would like to play u in player matches sometime and figure out some stronger answers for the 1 kg and dm p+k mix up. I feel like i'm working at a 35:65 disadvantage in that mix up, which is ridiculous considering it's dm p+k, and a punishible sweep, i should be on the better end of it. Although i would say DM p+K really isn't so punishable.

 

it's DM p+k, p+kk4 mixup!

Oh, wait, we're talking about his Brad now.... Damnzers.

 

Do what I do, I mean who KNEES DM+P+K?

 

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Tsua, you said that it's only abuse if the move can not be punished, DMP+K can not always be punished correctly online. A lot of it depends on lag but anyway, I want to make one thing clear:

Tsua/HotD you're a good player.
I like playing you, I like your Jacky, the last time we played before tonight I had no complaints BUT that's player matches, it seems that when you play ranked you get on that DMP+K style that I say is hot garbage.
Just so it's clear I will put it in caps:
DMP+K SPAMMING STYLE IS HOT GARBAGE.

Anybody can play like that. The thing is that you don't have to, you've got more skills than that.

I wouldn't even bother talking about this with you if that's all you did but you don't. You've got skills, that's why it's so puzzling to me when you get on that DMP+K tip. I never said that that style is invincible, it's just really annoying to fight against.
So many players on xbl do that 2P'ing or DMP+K'ing crap that it gets tiresome to deal with after a while.
I think you've taken a style that a lot of scrubs use and you are applying it with good technique and that's why it's so much more frustrating to play against.
When scrubs use it you can kill them with the same style but you, you actually know how to play, maybe that's why it's even more annoying from you than from a guy who doesn't know how to block/evade/create space.

 

People think online rank means something here too? When will it stop!?!?

 

funniest thing happen today. i am hosting rank match then templario challenges me. before the match begins he sends me a friend request. so the match starts i rape him. he then sends me a message for training. I send him a message.I tell him I don't like playing people who pull. your rank might say warrior but you skills say 9th kyu. he replies with.
jajajajaja, my skills suck jajajaj... WTF lol


on a side not. the following is lengthy, may or may not make sense to you. this whole argument is hot garbage. although it's been really entertaining the last few days it's starting to get stale.

Look tsua. I agree with your point about Dm p+k can be dealt with. yes it's throw punishable. -14. but it's really really hard to punish -14 with throw online. how many people can say that they can do it consistantly online?! if I try to do it and you try to attack right away my throw clashes with your move (why you would be attacking after a -14 move if you know it's -14 beats me, but I've seen it) or if you do Dm+p+k again my throw wiffs, yes wiffs don't know why but it does, and i am greeted with a boot to the face.( again why do it two times in a row.. beats me) so what do we do... we punish with p,k. now i am +4. okay maybe now they will try to show some defensive skill... NOPE! dm+p+k again!!! I am sorry but I don't buy that this is an intended mix up. there was nothing premeditated about this. just a move that is used as a crutch. nothing more. the funny thing is WE ALL HAVE ONE!! yep a move that we can use as a crutch. just some characters are more useful then others. some characters can use them at -4 or greater while others need to have advantage to do it.

the problem people are having with it is not that you use it at all, but the way you use it. I've played you a few times and what I can remember is me attacking you getting advantage and you trying to hit me threw almost everything trying to get that advantage back. when you are successful at landing an attack I will block so you put your self at -frames then right away I see Dm+pk. no hesitation just there it is. or if I knock you down I am greeted with...... p,p,p... seriously??! I see a lot of this. you do this, Rare entity does this, even Dr. familia has done this. But I don't think that you or any of them are being cheap or unskilled. just not fully aware. fully aware of all your options outside of the obvious. And when you are not aware of all your options what are you left with but the obvious. And that's what the real problem is. the obvious. We all hope at higher level of play that we will be playing outside of the obvious. that we some how will have evolved from the simple minded tactic. But when I am greeted with a ppp, 2p, p, or even dm+pk, I quickly remember how important the obvious is. And I should be ashamed for thinking other wise. yeah it's no fun when you get hit by it. you feel a little embarrassed because of it. But how should I feel when I adapt to it and the whole match feels like the obvious?? fulfilled? No. BORED. that shit is strait up boring. why because you have to surcome to the obvious game play. it's boring because you have to, lack of a better word, dumb down your game play. and the moment you feel you have dumb down your game play enough you opponent gets smart and does something out side the norm. OMG! It's like salt in the eyes! Painful to watch. BUUUUTTTTTT, I think this kind of game play is important for high level matches. really. the best way to win a match is make the person win it for you. you win from there mistakes. it's such an amazing skill set. to be able to play just to the right level. to know how far to dumb it down. it's such a fine line. but when you know how to walk it perfectly you are very scary indeed. take MasaRed for example. I remember playing his shun over a year ago, and I would get so frustrated when he would beat me with run away, drink, pppk mix ups, and throws. I thought how the fuck is this scrub beating me. then I realized that I was letting him dumb me down. So then I changed my game plan And adapted my game play and managed shake his tight rope. A year later he has had to reset the level in which he needs to dumb it down. it much higher and much harder to walk. but he walks it. and I love playing him because of it. (THANKS MASA FOR THE TRAINING, YOU'RE AWSOME). lately I've been trying to find that fine line for me so tsua , rare entity and anyone else who plays like this please play me when you see me online. I need the practice against the obvious.

 

Mista tee, good post!

You explained it better than I ever could.

The problem with this and any games is that some of us are not fun people to hang around with or play games VS. Some of us like to stick with their shit and see if it can annoy some High Ranked player, just for the sake of it. If Hotd had to play the game without DM P+K it would not be the same for him I guess. He would not have fun anymore. Thats the game within the game, see how many times he can do it before it lands.

Tsua I never played you, but your games sounds boring as fuck!

 

Man, all this Tsua hate. I'm not really taking sides or anything. I mean, we all have our bad habits. Shoot, I sometimes get TFT-itis with kage, or low kick from back turn too much, but then again DMPK is something that's really hard to deal with. Last time I played Tsua, he was using Lau and wasn't bad at all. I was evading all this stuff and punishing and he caught on and started doing Lau's circular kick to stop me. Then I had to adapt and delay evades or duck under that kick, but overall they were really good games. I haven't played you lately man, but I hate for you to be taking so much heat with the skills I've seen you use if you're really playing like what I'm reading. You don't need the dmpk man, I know you've got the skills. With all these vids on here with great players demonstrating so much variety and different ways to implement setups, why would anyone want to limit themselves with tactics or clutches? All I'm saying is that everyone on here for the most part is cool. Tony is mad fun to play with, Tsua, last I played you, we had great matches, and beligerent is the shit to me(Damn, it sucks we have no connection /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif
I just don't want people to think you have no skills, because we know you do, so if you're using dmpk as a crutch, then I just ask to rethink your strat...you've got so much more available and that you can already do that you don't even need to be doing that. Anwayz, that's my two cents. I'll STFU now.

Haha, now that I'm reading this back to myself, it sounds like I'm asking him to stop taking drugs.

 

Intervention!

 

All this back and forth is making me want to play you Tsua really bad! We've played before but it's been awhile and I can't remember your style. If there's one thing I love to do it's finding a way through anyone's play style! When should we fight?

And MistaTee I'd love to put my Shun up against you again soon!

 

ok my name is up lol.
i have a hard time playing Tsua when he is running shareware programs that eat all your bandwidth. so its lagging as hell. i know its you, when we have a 2 -3 green bar and it is lagging and only when i play you. i have also heard other people complain about it being lagging when they play you. so first i would turn that program OFF before you play VF online. and about me losing to lower rank i could care less about losing to a lower rank, i lose to alot of lower ranks, and i dont mind losing that is why i have a 65% winning, i still lose alot lol. yea i did lose motivation i think you sucked the living VF life right out of me. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Next time im gonna be doin the Shag Walk w/ Goh

 

I never thought I'd see the day when people actually refer to Tsua lol. I thought he was just someone to be trampled and left for dead but apparently he's hot off the presses to VFDC.

Either the good players are getting worse.
Or the good players have left the building.

Actually it's probably because there's so little comp left
that Tsua antics are experienced on a grander scale since
noone else is available to play.

Maybe he actually got better?

Inquiring retirees want to know!
(I think I might have done Jeffs DM+p+k like 4 times
in my entire VF career. Maybe that's the trick to
reaching the next level!)