Bad Games Thread

I think spam is just doing the same move over and over. like when you fight a noob lei fei who only does ppp, ppp. Or a Vanessa who uses the tornado take that attack 4-5 times a round. or a wolf player who does dmpk 5 times a round.

Usually these "spammers" are effective against lower rated players, but struggle against higher rated players.

I think your description of spammers is a little off. But then its entirely possible that people like you Konjou, Masared, and the other elites just understand the game on a deeper level, and can therefore catogorize someone as spamming abare, or spamming more complex attack patterns and break them down accordingly.

hope that was at least slightly helpful.

 

I even go so far as to call the same SET of moves over and over as spam, which is why i didn't mean it as an insult to Unico, Cadorna, or myself. With Pai I will tend to spam pk, 4(bokutai), k, or 66p+k, 4, mixup) on a rising opponent. Sure, it's not PPP, PPP, but it's spam in my book because when you recognize it it's very repetitive.

I guess in general spam means "repeated ad nauseum."

 

good move 75, i don't think none other will know what "ad nauseum" means. But this could lead to a great quote from him, so, lets all keep our fingers crossed.

 

smb and 75.

thanks for your help, I was sure my opinion is kind of strange for you guys, but your opinion helped me little. I think I know what is spam for you guys now. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Just want to get my two bits in about Unico711. He may spam 2K+G, and DMP+K, but he is still very effective with those moves. After losing two matches two him, I humbly asked him what I should do to deal with his playing style (and let him know it was easily the most unorthodox Brad I've ever seen) - his advice was well thought out and helpful.

We shouldn't be complaining about someone else spamming a move - we should be happy that they are doing that, and winning easily against them. If we aren't achieving that, then we should be looking to their strategy and trying to figure out why WE aren't winning.

While I wouldn't put Unico in my list of top Brad players, he's definitely a worthy opponent, and is certainly capable of switching up his games when the opponent starts adapting.

 

you are definitely onto something there deathsushi...i remember when i was learning to play the game, i hated all those 2p spammers and ppp with lei's. god how i hated them. but by the time i had reached a decent strength (9th-master) i was actually thankful for the scrubby spammers who taught me how to deal with such tactic. yes, this stuff can be super frustrating, but playing someone who spams "cheesy" tactics and learning to beat them can be much more beneficial to your early development than getting thoroughly drubbed by one of the elite players. It gives you a workable sized problem to solve. (i'm preaching as much to myself as anyone else). It is perfectly feasable for someone of moderate ability to make the adjustment to learn how to defend agianst tactics such as Unico, and therefore beat him 90% of the time. (feasable, but hard). Wheras making the adjustment to beating dabadseed 90% of the time just isn't a reality, b/c he has me outclassed on every front.

 

Hey, I can't say nothin' I still spam PPPK combos with Aoi. I'm just happy I have my reversals to fall back on in case at least. Maybe because I can't properly use DMPK.

 

I just had a thought, I guess I should go to practice mode and use Brad vs Akira(CPU), and see how the CPU stops it.

 

i found the computers strongest setting in practice to be very weak with lei vs vane-picked it apart, and as u guys know i'm ok, but still really weak in a loooooooot of areas.
I found unico to be extremely annoying to play. But i also have a bad habit of feeling insulted by that sort of play and somehow taking it personal, which is of course another weakness of my game.
I thought cordona spammed when i first played him/her. Vanessa anyway. It may have been cause i was lower ranked though. I do find alot of time vs weak opponents i will "spam" an arrow punch, and 6k, k (uppercut stagger k) and just make short work of them.
I would point out though. Many times it is hard to deal with a good player spamming, because it catches u off gaurd. For example, when i play brisal, when it gets to a point where i have won 2 rounds, he is a DMpk machine. He relies on this heavily in the cluch. Conversely, against high level competition (for example against brisal and more recently betabow) i sometimes start getting to sloppy with my inputs and have to rely on evade ppp, ppp and can turn the tide of a fight and pull out a clutch 2 rounds with waaaay too much ppp, ppp. Of course i couldn't sustain this for win streaks, but if i can stave off a win streak with it, play respectably and maybe "spam" ita again 5 fights later for another cheap win...point is, some spam is powerful when u don't expect it from such a high ranked opponent.

 

fu_unji, is your shun not abare. It seemed like he was, considering you had an overwhelming offense, but i can't be sure cause i don't know shuns frame data? Are u still playing "moral" even when whipping out one move after the next? I know i play way to abare, and the next step in my growth is to slow down and mix defense without just being thrown all over the place. Also, most importantly, i need to at least go with a 50/50 on whiffing attacks. Right now i probably whiff twice as much as my opponent on average. If i could reverse this and whiff half as much on average-that would be level up for me.

 

goes well with brisal and crackers

 

I'm guilty as charged of a little spamming against low rankers because all I want is to finish the fight as soon as I can and move on to someone I can actually have fun playing.
I'm very surprised seven5suited would say that though. Probably because I found a couple of moves that would work against his usual tactics and maybe abused them a little for a fight or two? I don't think that puts me in the same class with Unico but whatever. I'm proud of saying I'd rather lose than winning with cheap moves, as my record clearly indicates.

 

It's all about setting up your opponent to play your style of game.
If you see me spam as you say DMPK its because...
* you try to throw me after certain moves or get ups. Notice how DMPK ducks under the high throw animation.
* you try big attacks often. Example Jacky's huge kicks. Easy to evade and throw for a Wolf player.
* you don't have the ability to reverse or stop it. A win is a win.
* and finally to play mind games with my opponent. If they are worried about DMPK your mine.

there are other reasons, but that's for you to figure out.

My thoughts on spam is if I cant stop it then please continue doing it. I want to learn how to stop it, which most players should learn instead of complaining about a player's style.

and thank you SevenSuited for putting me in the same example as BetaBow /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

I agree. Spam is legit for pwning noobs, as unethical as that is.

GG's: BETABOW (i loved our back and forth Lau matches--not to mention there aren't very many good Lua's floating around online); Rare Entity (keep on hot-doggin', boi!)

Oh, Deathsushi, we had a good time, but if what you say is true and that's how your net has always been online, you either are missing out big time or our connections just don't agree with one another. It was so bad for me I had hickups about every 20 frames or so.

 

Im not US player, but I'd consider spam as: repeating same move more than 2 times in a row without pause for example. Obviously this is heavily punishable under normal conditions but it may change in online due to lag. I have a special anti-repeat circuit planted in my brain and Im unable to spam things even if I wanted to.

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And I was thinking spam is abare in Japanese, is it true?

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Abare is a japanese term that simply refers to attacking out of disadvantage. The term is used to describe people who dont care about frame advantage and take the easy route out of situations by hitting attack buttons. Attacking out of disadvantage is quite good tactical tool though, if you know how to apply it.

 

Cadorna, for the record I was defending Unico's strategy, so if I said you were similar it was a compliment, excluding the fact that you don't like his style. You and I always have fun games and we always end up getting a bit repetitive on each other so it's all good.

 

Am I missing your reference or did you think someone's post was mine? I'm still having my coffee so it could be anything...

 

Losing to Brisal can be very frustrating, and perhaps feel rather cheap at times. But i don't slight him for it, i'm sure the matches he loses to me can be frustrating and feel cheap for him. i'm not above doing a double sweep set up, then sweep again b/c i'm afraid dmpk is coming, and the finish with a sweep b/c he's one hit to death. i'm not really spamming sweep so much as its just the best move to do in four consecutive instances that occured. just like when he dmpk me during my punch string, then does it to me on my rising attack and then does it again to avoid a throw when he's rising, he's not necesarrily spamming it so much as just taking adv. of my weaknesses.

the thing that gets me about wolf evade throw is that its easy to throw escape if you're are used to it. i can go practice it and then be impervious to the move for a day half a day, but then i don't play a wolf who does it for 2 wks and back to being unable to escape it off of reflex. and there is no way to set the comp to do it so i cna't practice it without recruiting somone else, which is tediuous. wish you could set the comp to do certian patterns in dojo.

 

Well said, completely agree.

 

sorry I meant Social Ruin I must have been tired... At least you both have an S in your username /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif