Advanced Techniques

I think some people are being a little bit negative in this topic but nice to see it's not had an effect. Virtua Fighter indeed is not a very profitable fighter outside of possibly EVOLUTION and maybe the new Underground gaming/JC Media events. However I think we should all stop complaining about how crappy the US/NA scene is and start doing what we can to improve on it by taking advantage of EVOLUTION and UG/JC Media events.

SephirothKen@ Hey Ken, SoCal players will be hosting Ranking battles in the near future, so I invite you to come by and participate to practice your skills. We also gather up casually every now and then. We a have thread in the match making forum that you can try out. Good luck to you.

 

Dude your so full of yourself.

 

The most important aspects of VF5 are the basics. Everything else is gravy, but they're fun (just not really essential--they're good, but like all things can be handled). I will say complete understanding trumps all in the game (that combined with great input control).

But there are lots of fun "stepping" in VF5 if you want to go there. It won't make you too much of a better player without the basics since you should first learn to play the game up close. Perhaps the first "advanced technique" you'll want to learn is a relatively simple one... Fuzzy guard /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Assuming you're the real SephirothKen (which might not be the case, I don't know if you've claimed to be that person even), the best competition is Japan. If you can afford to go there, you can learn "the ways of VF mastery" there /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

But NAVF is awesome too, so come out and meet with some of the people in the community. Whether you're that SephirothKen or just a fan. We're a nice community with good bonds /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sometimes checking your ego at the door's a good policy too ^_^

 

What exactly do you mean by this? As far as I can tell, VF doesn't have a metagame in the sense of SFII counter-characters or Magic counter-decks.

Closest example I can think of is noticing that fuzzy is stronger in VF5, picking a character with low throws, and low throwing a lot. But that still seems like in-game strategy, not metagame . . .

 

lol sephorpth..that was afunn comment..

 

My problem is that I'm really, really goodlooking.

 

I have a gigantic penis.

 

You guys can make fun of him, but he is a competitor and it's possible that he can become better than you in the near future. I love the drive and spirit.

However, the ceiling is much much higher in VF than it is in Smash so let's see if he can be as successful. Sepiroth I'm pretty sure I won't be copying your tactics though, LOL, though it'd be great to be proven wrong.

 

Wrong. Very wrong. Smash has over 50,000 people worldwide that play this game, and it is by far the deepest fighting game i've ever played, much deeper than third strike, tekken, MVC, Soul Calibur and Guilty Gear, all of which i've played for a very long time, and have a lot of experience in. I chose to play smash over these because of how much harder the competition is, and how much more skill it takes to become a high level player. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but the ceiling is not as high as it is in smash.

 

I agree with Ice 9. This game needs more newer players, specifically younger players that want to work to be the best at this game and don't roll over just cause of a few Japanese match vids.

Hopefully having a top player like him from Smash (which btw has like a bagillion more players than VF or anyother fighting game for that matter) will put more spotlight and attention on VF5. Honestly, seeing such a central site like VFDC's forum so inactive is depressing.

Edit: @SephirothKen - I understand you are a great smash player, but frankly you and no other smash player has ever done well in a traditional fighting game, much less games like VF and MvC2 which have a learning curve from hell.

 

If you can kick our asses, then maybe I'll believe you. Until then I'll continue to think that a Smash Brothers champ is just a chump in VF.

 

Think the thing is, the user base for VF is much smaller but most of those players are much more hardcore. Think at the very top level technical excellence just buys you a seat at the table, that's where psycology and imposing your will comes into play. Kind of abstract concepts that can't be documented.

But one way to prove your point would be to provide an example of a smash brothers concept that doesn't have an equivalent in VF.

 

Pokeballs


Oh and don't compare Smash to VF, kthx

 

Alright, easy people. Lets just welcome him to the scene and hope that he does do well. The more people that are playing vf, the better.

 

I'll voice my opinion on whatever I choose to. You may not agree but I respect the fact that this is your right.

They're both pieces of entertainment and subjectively comparable.

Come harder..

 

This thread delivers.

 

BTW, Ken's matches in Smash Bros. are pretty damn cool ^_^

In VF's history, there were a lot of "advanced techniques" that were not really intentionally put in the games. At least that is the assumption. However, the developers have done well to incorporate many of these "unintended advanced techniques" into later games in the series.

Option Selects:
-Multiple Throw Escapes
-Multiple Throw Escapes and still Guarding
-Buffering Evades into Multiple Throw Escapes and Guard
-Buffering Crouch Dash into Evade and Guard for more defense options

Fuzzy Guard:
-Abusing certain frame windows to get a universal block

Stepping:
-Making use of movement properties that allow one type of movement to cancel into another to create zoning footwork. Dash can be cancelled by dodge, which can be cancelled by crouch dash, etc...

Uramawari:
-A form of okizeme (keeping offensive pressure on a downed opponent) in which you get the other person to get up backwards. You don't see this in VF as much since VF4 when Tech-Roll and Quick-Rise were introduced. It's still there in some situations, but you're often better off just going on conventional okizeme since uramawari often requires the other player to do specific things.

-Having said the above, when players fall in certain positions, there are options they should not do because they will be back turned for a little bit and the opponent gets a free attack. (Tech rolling when you're falling face forward, head towards opponent; Quick Rising when you're falling face down with feet towards opponent).

Again, all of the above are advanced techniques but like many of those advanced techniques, they are mainly extensions of the basics (or ways to restrict your opponent's offensive options).

I don't think VF5 has something on the level of VF2's Senbon abuse (thank goodness though).

 

Just noticed where you're from.

Lolz.

 

Sephiroth a word of advice:

We admire the confidence but...saying we will soon be copying your techniques while asking for advnaced techs...is kinda snobby(and hilarious). Also just because you are a good smasher doesnt translate into great vf'er..necessarily. Conversely if you become a great vf'er you will get all the respect you want.



That said welcome to the communiy!

 

Ken:
Welcome to VFDC!
Advance Technique, I think all the information are on the forum. It just a matter of practicing and using them in your game. I look froward to play against you in the future.

My adivce is: Play on a joystick if you have been playing fighting games with a Pad previously. If you want to be competitive at world level, I strongly suggest you switch to a Stick.