Wtf with all that abare madness on Xbl?

Why the hell is everyone playing so abare now?
I mean, come on, even decent to good players (not only lei fei mashers) usually bullrush you till they see KO on the screen...
I've seen guys, not bad with their char, just doing their flowcharts without even looking at what I was doing.
No way to condition them, no way to set up an offense after a Nitaku situation etc...
So I tried against several guys, Elbow, then Elbow, then Elbow, and the opponent ate em all each time each round... Sometimes abare user also evade on each disadvantage to bullrush you again just after.

I consider myself a pretty offensive player, I somtimes abare on specific situations, but not all the 3-5 rounds at every moment I'm not knocked down.

Are there still moral players on XBL?
Cause I'm a bit tired of playing those users... Stop the abare madness ! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

 

To me playing abare is a step you need to take to learn VF properly. If you play like a maniac, and you're serious about learning; You'll eventually learn what situations to NOT abare in all the time. Someone who wants to learn VF completely will eventually strike a balance.

 

I consider abare to be just another defensive option. When at small disadvantage you can evade, duck, fuzzy, backdash, or attack. The problem with the players you're talking about is that they use abare as their only disadvantage option. But there's always ways to beat that.

I think the main reason that n00bs are constantly abare is because thats what they've found to work best for them. Think about it, which is easier to learn: constantly attacking and getting a few lucky rounds out, or learning ETEG, fuzzy guard and spacing AND knowing when to use them?

Its OK. This is one of the main things that seperates VF players from good VF players.

 

hehehe thought I was the only one who noticed! I don't even think defense is an option online anymore.

 

People have been playing this way ever since I started. It's part of the reason why I learned my characters frames cause I got tired of getting popped out of moves I really wanted to see. Alot of opponents don't even check their moves or even get punishes in, they just keep going and going( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyraEvkY53k ).

It works really good on me too, fyi. Getting smacked in the face by stuff that's unchecked cause I figured they'd stop cause the next part is bad news. I start playing really scared and slow the hell down, and just freeze, then you can throw me all day after that, I'll get counter hit trying to escape like 4 throws. oorrrrr I just throw it out the window, and start throwing out moves too if my hands are tired of ETE and all that.

I don't know what to do, I would blame it on lag or something but I just don't really care, so I just try to learn a new way to battle it.

I had this huge problem playing against Shinn Akira, back when he was playing, cause he just wouldn't stop, and I couldn't even find any moves he did that I could punish. It was a nonstop flowchart even if shit was blocked I tried to do something and got hit with some shit. As a matter of fact, quite a few of the doa players I had this issue with where they wouldn't give up their turn. So I had to learn the frames of my character and improve my checking.

 

Why bother when you're playing VF5: Lottery Edition and most defensive techniques won't work consistently?

 

I think this is so funny. Im a 50% player at best on XBL. There is no way to make your opponents respect the things you do on line unless they know frames. I know how to punnish those disrespectfull to the data, but the online element doesnt allow you too. No matter what the situation, I always punch check. My best fights are against the people who are most respected on this site. I beleive the reason is because Im watching them, they are watching me and were remembering all the little nuances as to 'how I took damage' in that last situation and finding the answers in the back of your brain while fighting the fight. For example, I hadnt played against Gentleman Theif in months and he joined my ranked match last night. Right from the jump it was an all out war and came down to the final blow as usual between him and I. I dont think weve ever played each other withought both of us breaking a throw. I think I have a winning record against G.T. im not shure tho' but against kyu's and absolute abare players my record sucks. I cant wrap my brain around that kind of thought process. Ive played and trained for years to do things not abare but when its my 'turn' like after I properly block something. Back during Evo, I learned how to punish 2p by doing about 70% damage 'not guaruanteed however' but since then you wont see me throwing too many 2p's. But on line its a trusted tactic. Ive blocked Akira's 466pk on line and got hit by 2p when going for Yoho. People are looking really good on line but arent advancing truly in the game.

 

Me too!!!Haha~~
I always had this problem with ShinnAkira and I don't know what I am supposed to do~~~ He drop his defence but fully offence. And it was really hard for me to find out the timing and sometimes the whole match was like one Brad keeps showing his animation~~~~
I asked him once about did you ever offense?? He answered that" I don't think I need to". But the thing is that I didn't feel too much laggy with him so I believe that was my bad coz I didn't realize Brad as he did~~
Haha~ I don't know there is someone else has this kind of trouble like me~~

Btw, Slide, where are you?? I didn't see you since last time we met~~ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif

 

about 70% of the players on VFDC play abare. seriously. Not saying that is a bad thing but if people would just take the time to save there matches and check there defence they would see the truth. But to be fair abare is necessary to be a well rounded player. No one want to be predictable all the time. plus some characters, Van, shun, El blaze.. favor more abare style then others Sarah,Lau,jacky...
I know some people think I play very abare. when in actuality i play like 25% abare. If it's ever high then that it's because I don't understand the character I am up against but most the time my game is moral. at one point it was all moral. Konjoh made a comment on that to me. said it was too predictable. I think since then I have almost found a nice balance for it.

here are some way to tell if you are too abare.

-You ALWAYS attack after you are 2p'ed
-You ALWAYS attack after your 2p was blocked.
-You ss EVERYTIME you are at least -6 ore more and usually always to the same side
-You eat consecutive CH's. minimum 3 per round
-You ALWAYS try to attack after you tech

if you are reading this and are offended i am sorry but it's the truth and you really shouldn't take it to personal. If you happen to be one of these people just take the time to acknowledge it because I promise you your matches will feel even more intense. GG!

 

Every single one of these apllies to like 98% of the players on live, thinking of just folks on VFDC I can think of 5 or so players that this doesn't apply to... If you or anyone else can think of ten i'd be amazed

 

I take no offense for being an abare player because you have to be one to be competitive in VF overall, defense won't win every match for you. I would like to think that I am more of an abare player than what I think but I am not as aggressive as the better abare players around. There are 2 types as far as I am concerned the smart ones that are very aggressive yet do so when they see clear opening and pounce on the enemies as hard as they can when they see the opportunity. Then you have the people that attack because they can and do so even when it isn't safe to do so. Better people are the smarter attackers and use defensive techniques when clear openings aren't always present. The other type don't defend enough and will get CH too much.

This is just my take on it anyway.

 

Hey shadowmaster you forgot the type of people that abare cause they actually have no clue what is happening, once someone is onto their silly flowcharts/1kk spam/whatever they're fucked.

 

I haven't been playing.

Name them.
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btw, I be raging out whenever my opponent starts using nothing but 0f throws. 0f throws offset moral play, imo. You can't see them, they just instantly come out. Also, I hitcheck my moves nonstop(sometimes I follow through on guard for respect purposes), if I use a low and it normal hits and I'm at minus and my opponent goes for standing throw majority of that time, I will rage out with float at minus all day.

 

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It are seriose business

 

wut, are you serious?

 

No offense to the guy, because he took Brad to a level that even I didn't think he would make it too, but I think everyone felt this way about Shinn Akira's style. 70% offense 28% Abare offense 2% spacing dance into special high kick.

I give him credit though... he made it work and it work well for him. I'm kind of interested to see what he will come up with in R.

 

He definitely made it work for him, personally it was frustrating on my end though because his connection wasn't necessarily "ideal" imo, too. The nail in the coffin. It was kind of the same deal for me with DubC also, he just would not stop attacking and his connection was not compatible with mines.

 

Hmmm... after reading these posts, perhaps we should reconsider (or solidify) the definitions of "abare" and "moral". Or at least I have to change my definitions /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
Lets look at the definitions from the VFDC glossary:

Abare:
Attacking from a disadvantage. Contrast to 'moral'. From the japanese word 暴れる, abareru, 'to act violently'. Pronounced as “ah-ba-reh”.

Moral:
Style of play; defending when disadvantaged, attacking when advantaged. Contrast to 'Abare'.

Now, the big difference to me is the term "style of play" in the moral definition. This to me suggests that moral is something you are, while abare is something you do. For instance, you might say "he is a moral player", suggesting that he NEVER attacks from disadvantage. But if you attack from disadvantage just once, does that suddenly make you an abare-style player? No.

Its like I said in my previous post, attacking from disadvantage is a defensive option. Its a way out of a situation, and can be beaten by certain offensive options, but not all. Just as evading beats out linear attacks, but loses to full-circulars. As many full-circulars are slower than linear attacks (with exceptions), low punching/jabbing out of disadvantage will often be a good response to your opponent trying to stop an evade with a full-circular. Rock, paper, scissors. (it goes a lot deeper than this example but you catch my meaning)

But the overall point of what I'm asking is; at what point does a player become an "abare player" or a "moral player"? I've always thought of abare as an action, but not a playstyle. If someone is constantly abare (like in every single situation), then I usually just classify them as "overly aggressive" or "impatient".

So is abare something you do or something you are?

 

I honestly think people are just a little annoyed with lag. If you can't find the buffer then you're going to be frustrated. I can't tell you how many times I miss /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. Let alone lose the ability to perform defensive techniques. Its just the way it is unfortunately.