Shenanigans & Magic

Shun thread homie... pick your move!

 

Shuns (9K?) that goes under mids reguarly traumatises me.

Lion has that goes highs and mids from a short distance away.

/ that goes under highs and can go around 2p from small disadv. Also the and version can take him outta range of lots of things.

/ goes under highs.

 

I kno that in tekken moves of that fashion are said to crush other moves. There's a ton of them in VF5. A majority of low sweeps can crush highs.

Akira's 66p+k can crush highs. 3p+k crushes highs, and some 2ps. im no sure if 33p can crush highs though.

shun's 2k makes his hitbox go away like Turbo his 3p can high crush and k+g can low crush

Lei 1p+k can crush lows from a distance. 33p and 2_6pcan crush highs, ura koko 6k and k crush lows. ura koko K's c an crush much earlier upon its startup.

Jacky's 1p and ducking K+G crushes lows. his 2k~p can crush highs

 

Akira's 214P+K crushes anything if timed right. Once his hands are up over his head and starts to come down... it's ' Hulk Smash! '

 

Cozby was talking about something else, like how Akira 66p+kp goes under highs so it'll beat them but it doesn't crush them.

 

Just a few off the top of my head (as I had a fun list that I deleted for lulz):

Akira's and Eileen's + go under not only highs, but against lots of Jeffry's mids [, , etc.] (and with certain distance and timing DS Vanessa's ). It's retarded that beats both just fine (though it's EX-high) whereas mids whiff. Aoi's can do similar with mids depending space/timing/etc as well.

Even at disadvantage, many character's elbows can duck under Wolf's (and in certain stances Jeffry's ) Jab. Akira's, Lion's, Eileen's, Sarah's come to mid.

Eileen's ++/++ can go under/over elbows (and many other mids) at disadvantage (except Lion's elbow).

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Cozby, no need to mention high crushing lows/low crushing jump attacks. It's obvious that something attacks do that, like Akira's + ducks under jabs/highs at disadvantage (and gives you huge frames vs. delay strings or anything you manage to beat), or Sarah's +, or Jeffry's /Threat Stance can crush lows with proper spacing beats lows. Not magical like Goh's Shoulder ram beating Jeffry's .

I believe Konjou was making a joke on the whole need to use stupid Tekken terminology like "crush," and how Akira's literally crushes shit.

 

46p+k ducks under highs, bokutai k can make rising mid k whiff,466p+k if timed right ducks under highs,ura nehan k hops over lows and its follow up 2k whiff highs(works very well against pai and lau 1kk).i seen suirakan p+k jump over 2p if timed right i seen bokutai duck under kage 66p+k+g at point blank and 3k+gk made 2p whiff if timed right

 

goh evasive moves.
-4,3 p crushes highs throws at disadv.
-low sabaki crushes highs throws ( doesnt throw clash ) at disadv ( up to -10,-11 for -12 frame jabbers)
-3 K+G.
-2p.
- shoulder ram, sucks in some mids.. and goes right through highs.
-1 K+G, highs.. but will throw clash. i believe must be done at adv..
-9 K+G, will not throw clash.
-i think... 6 p+K, will go through throws up until -5.. according to black book.
-33p, has a small window of evasiveness/ highs.

 

Hahaha it'll save you some time though

 

Yeah, what can hit AK's 3p+k ? It's like he is teleported and replaced with a hologram for a few frames, hence the blows that go through him with no effect. Are there any move classes that can counter this sorcery?

Yeah, "crush" is kinda stupid and not really descriptive since most of the moves in VF avoid as oppossed to "crushing" or eating, a la what I think I have seen in Tekken.

I wrote "most" btw.

 

This is a good thread. Maybe you can organise the opening post and breakdown it down seperately for characters.

We all know there are moves that definitely evade certain moves.
Such as Kage's . Could be then added to the wiki.

Why are you guys using "Crush" ? Too much Tekken hahah

 

Mids kill it, use a launcher like Lau 3p+k.

 

I think it goes through elbow class moves and mid-punches in closed stance up to -5 (need to test to be sure). I do not think it goes through mid kicks.

 

I bet you meant and not the P+K version

 

I guess because its one word? Easy to use. What would you use?

Akiras P+K avoids highs in disadvantage
Akiras + avoids highs in advantage

To be honest theres too many 'highcrush' moves to list across the characters.

As for low backfist, I dont use it that much, but I think it avoiding mids might depend on stance. Akira kind of leans on one side and if opponents hand comes from the other side.. dunno. I dont think it really avoids mids in a repeatable fashion.

 

For instance lows that dont recover standing, low punch, etc.

Akira has , +, ...