No talk about Catch/Change?

Is it that bad? I know the throws out of it don't do much dmg, but I've never had one of them broken (lots of TEs to execute, I guess? I don't know), and the grabbing animation SEEMs to have great range?

Is Catch, indeed, a catch throw? Any use for this at all? There's got to be at least a clever Wolf that uses the pushing throws for ringout/wall mayhem, right?

Right? Right? Guys?

 

lol. Catch is a great move and yes, it is a catch throw.

as far as clever wolves go, i know of flash and myself that use catch and 44P+G effectively.

6P+G from Catch into wall hit can go into a toekick stunner if far enough.. or if you don't make your opponent hit a wall you can 33P+K.

6P+G from Change can be followed up with 46P+K.

 

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They are harder to break as there are multiple options from each clinch. So as long as you aren't predictable you should have no problems using them to their fullest potential.

 

From Catch and Change Wolf has four options/breaks.

The opponent can only buffer only one escape.

This from a catch throw.

Scary shit.

 

I think the best part about catch throws is that it beats ETEG and sometimes fuzzy guarding.

 

For a Wolf player it is a move that I don't use that much. For me it doesnt fit into my style. I use it every once and a while to experiment with the throws and options. I don't know if I would use the style of play in tournaments though, I like to turtle and do reversal type moves.

 

Wolf's reversals are fucking terrible. All the drawbacks of a reversal, plus taking damage for reversing high and mid kicks? Yeah I'll pass. Dragon Screw at least looks cool but that's about all it has going for it.

Catch is decent enough, but if you've got enough frames to land it you could probably be landing Frankensteiner or a regular throw.

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Actually, in some cases, catch if better than frankensteiner or regular throws because it can sometimes have priority over attacks given the frame advantage. I really can't comment on the exe speed of the two though. Might have better range than frankensteiner though.

 

I was surprised by that (taking damage) as well. When did he actually start taking damage from his reversals, as I can't remember if he did in VF4:Evo.

Also, what about Catch from R.A.W.? Does that have any differences from the regular version, aside from him saying "Not bad"?

 

Other than you taking damage, no.

The catch grab is best used for positioning in my opinion.

You can work into a wall/ring out game easily with it.

 

It has priority over strikes, but it loses to ANY normal throw, not counting air catches cause they're in the air...

 

Catching is hard when fighting against someone who uses a low and quick attacks - obvisiously. agreeing with seidon catching is useful for positioning. I tend to use it against less knowledged players and to mix up the offense.

There are some things about the catch that have changed over the years the options of what you can do has gone down.
From VF3/FM - Once you get to the catch at the back. there was the option to german suplex, tiger suplex, dragon suplex and release german suplex with a different direction along with the usual P+G. and in VF4Evo he had Chris Benoits Triple German Suplex.

In VF5 its quite limited to One and Only, Calf Branding and the angled back drop suplex (Takeshi Morishimas signiture/finisher)

There are few moves i miss of Wolfs. The "Angels Wings" Double underhook Facebuster, now replaced by the Pedigree, Steiners Screwdriver of VF2, The option to change the brainbuster/suplex into the jackhammer from VF4/Evo and the Arm Drag of VF3/FM/VF4 f,f,P+G.

I never noticed about the taking damage during reversals either.

 

First of all, it was only a Double German in Evo.

Secondly, you could only use Tiger Suplex, Release German Suplex, Calf Branding and Push from the Change position in VF3. Both his normal German and his Dragon Suplexes were just normal back throws, always have been, always will be.

The number of options hasn't changed, only the moves.

VF3&VF4 / Evo / VF5
Thunderfire Bomb / Quebradora Slam / Quebradora Slam
Front Neck Chancery / Schwein / Schwein
Release F. Suplex / Spiral Bomb / Spiral Bomb
Release German / One and Only / One and Only
Calf Branding / Calf Branding / Calf Branding
Tiger Suplex / Double German / Backdrop Driver

 

I wasn't aware there were different names for "homo-erotic throw #1," "homo-erotic throw #2," "homo-erotic throw #3," and so on.

/jab at wrasslin'

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Curious:

Has anyone ever found the frame window for Catch yet, or nah?

 

sebo makes unfunny post in serious forum

film at 11

 

Hey, it's a rerun. Only played 900 times now.

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Did you find the frames for Catch? I wanna know!

 

I just assume it's 15f or thereabouts like it was in VF4

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wolf's reversals are fucking terrible. All the drawbacks of a reversal, plus taking damage for reversing high and mid kicks? Yeah I'll pass. Dragon Screw at least looks cool but that's about all it has going for it.</div></div>

what? wolf has some of the best reversals in the game o___o).

d+p+k ~ has a big catch window and keeps you at a safe ducking
position. this means that if you manage to whiff a high string
or something similar, then you get a 0 frame throw when you come
up.

db+p+k ~ mid kick reversal which is pretty vital with kage when
you have disadvantage, it also catches rising mid kicks from faced down position. the "damage taking" version only occurs with
a higher mid kick, or a foot position, like kage's d+k+g. it wont
occur with a straight narrow one. ~ and it's only like 20 dmg?
not much to cry over.

b+p+k ~ not used much because high kick isnt very common regardless of the character.

raw stance ~ big window, great setups. better than an average reversal window.

 

RAW isn't a reversal, and LPC is a rare exception and not all that useful since it's been replaced by the much safer /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. All his other reversals suck except for very specific situations like you mentioned. Also Dragon Screw is the only kick reversal of his that I'm aware of that doesn't take damage, and that is for sidekick class kicks only.

 

RAW has the same function as a reversal, which is a disadvantage
tool with the ability to buffer throw escapes.

no, uf+P+K isnt a replacement, it requires wolf to launch himself off the ground into the air ready to be air juggled which is why it's better for rising low attacks than disadvantage. ~ LPC ducks low, and gives you a 0frame throw
opportunity or a garanteed attack depending on the whiffed
move and your input.

reversals in general are used in specefic situations called "disadvantage"~,