Looking for Big Damage with Sarah

Let's face it, while Sarah might have some tricky set ups like /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, tech roll traps from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, and catching whiffs with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif she still needs her big moves.

#1 Dragon Smash Cannon /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

#2 Serpent Smash Cannon /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

#3 Full Heel Spin Kick /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

What do these moves have in common? They all lead to good damage combos on any hit and they are all at least /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif punishable.

You gotta take some risks sometimes to get the lead (or recapture the lead) in matches. And these three moves define risk/reward. We all know the whole "If I'm at +4 to +9 then I can use big launcher to MC him" or the "If his move has -17 recovery then I get a free Dragon Cannon!" but here are some things that you don't realize.

Ways to get the big damage combos.

Get your opponent to whiff. No joke, when your opponent whiffs you need to make him pay. Generally Dragon Smash should be done on reaction to your opponent whiffing something. Say Jacky whiffs his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, you can't just let him just stand there and just keep saying "Yeah!" while whiffing that big mid circular, hitting him with a big damage combo not only helps you win but it makes him very weary of throwing big stuff out at a distance which in turn allows you to dash in and start close pressure that Sarah can do pretty well.

Duck the high. So many strings in VF have the property of end in some annoying high move. EX: Akira /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, which is mid high and gives him +4 advantage if you block it. Don't fall for this stuff over and over again. Duck it and nail him with a serpent smash or throw him or do something nasty to him to get him from relying on those strings. Again it conditions them into not using it and therefore limiting options in his on head. Mind games!

Evade in between the string. A lot of characters use long annoying strings in VF5 like Lei Fei and Shun. Although the difficulty is rough, being able to evade between strings at the right time can net you great rewards. It'll also scare the crap out of your opponent as they can't even rely on follow up attacks anymore.

It's a throw! Reverse Nitaku isn't as good as it was before thanks to the throw clash system but that doesn't mean you can't use it to some nasty degree. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is an amazing move in Ver. C with it's ability to defeat the clash and net you a fair combo on any hit. Think of your opponent who has you at significant disadvantage and feels sneaking a throw in for 40-60 dmg is a good guess only to be reversed for 50-60 dmg back at him! It's suprising, demoralizing, and well momentum changing. For Sarah big damage means big risk which also means big guesses. Most opponents have a patterns to how they use their throws, look for them and give em a shocker.

 

Have they fixed weird whiff issues with Serpent Cannon in Ver C?

 

I've been meaning to test that.

So far last hit of serpent cannon still has garbage range compared to the first hit. Which is very depressing.

I suggest that people who want to apply serpent cannon use it only to defeat crouching opponents, fishing for CH, or ducking/evading strings. Range wise the move isn't as reliable as Dragon Smash Cannon and Heel Drop.

 

Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Okay so I've been doing a lot of testing now that I have the game and I'm loving it so far.

Some interesting things so far:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

In open stance- jab-> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif will hit against a lot of the middle weights and heavy middle, I test Akira, Kage, Brad so far. Weird thing with Akira is it does less damage with him and It's not the false TR thing either.....

In closed stance- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif will hit right off the bat against most character, I landed /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif->/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif against Eileen (I believe a 1frame delay is needed) however inconsistent results with other light weights.

Notes: overall I can find some long and fun combos off this move but due to Sarah doing very weak dmg it's hard to find combos that do more damage than P->2KK and P->6_KK

So far it's really hard to find new combos with Sarah due to the concept of most of combos. But I'm bound to find something interesting if I keep at it.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

I've noticed that the highest damaging combo for Sarah's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif isn't in the combo's section of the wiki project, it was actually Freyja that posted it on DOAC originally:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif - works on light weights and deals 68 damage (not sure about stances yet). Apologies if this is posted elsewhere I just haven't found it here yet.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

If it's to just light weights then you use rebounce combos which would deal far more than 68. Cool find but there's just better stuff.

Yeah. I'm trying to find stuff too.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Well, on MC, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif(to bounce) - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif does only 1 more pt of damage than Druec's combo with a MC dragon cannon. So his combo is very close to max damage, and will work without a major counter on light weights. Druec's combo is only closed stance, though, while the bounce combo works in either stance.

Druec, I'll add your combo to the wiki the next time I update that page... can't believe I missed that one. I thought I had explored all the possibilities with MC DC combos, but looking back on my combo list, I never tested what was possible after the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif... Thanks.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

AH, that explains that then. Doesn't need a major counter? good stuff.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Actually it's still not the best unless we are talking about Vanessa, Eileen, and Sarah. In that case it is the best combo in the closed stance.

I just found these by the way.

For Pai and Aoi on normal hit:

Open stance
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

70 dmg on normal

Closed stance
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

69 dmg + spiral knockdown on normal

They do 83 and 82 on MC respectively which isn't bad unless we are talking about Pai, but in that case if you can't get the double knee combo to come out these aren't bad choices.

The more you know....

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

PS: Yupa, time to update the Wiki.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

OMG more MC Dragon Cannon combos on the girls.

Closed stance ON ALL GIRLS!!!

MC /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

86 dmg!!!

Yupa's

MC /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

does 85 damage and is the best combo for Open stance on all girls except....


PAI open stance

MC /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

86 dmg, PWNED

PAI closed stance (aka the combo Itazan pwned my eyes with)

MC /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

89 dmg, for some reason I cannot get it to connect in open so I assume it must be closed only. Either way it gives me a reason to use my new combo.

God I love this game......

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

I have been trying to make this one work since I bought the system last month (granted I have only played a few times), but I can't seem to get /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gifK+G, K to work after the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gifK+G bounce. I have even tried to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif to get the move to come out faster but I miss. Any tips?

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

To get /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to connect first use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif to get into crouch then input it.

Baiscally- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

The timing is considerably tough for beginners but if you input it as fast as you can buffer it correctly you'll get it to connect.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Thanks, I'll give it a shot. While I am new, I not so new to strict buffering (I play Ivy in SC3--give CS from SE a try, lol).

Here is a combo that I have been using more since Yupa told me to abandon my old standard from VF4 ( /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif>/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif):

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif>/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

or

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif>/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif


I have tried the first combo on medium to lightweight characters with success (works on Goh and Jacky pretty well). I have not tried to use it on the heavyweights (Akira, Wolf, and Jeffery).

The second one works on damned-near everybody. It's not the biggest damage, but, so far, it seems to be pretty guaranteed.

If you are at Vtyme, please introduce yourself (if I don't see you first) and check out my game (I need as much feedback as I can get).

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Well i won't be at VTYME unfortunately but maybe Yupa will be there and he can show you all kinds of Sarah madness if you get the chance to play him! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

350 and I caught up at VTYME. He's a regular at Jaxel's gatherings. That's where I first met him.

350z, use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif instead of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to finish combos, the low kick does 1 more pt of damage and has a much greater chance of hitting.

Many more good combos in this thread... got to get to work.

I guess Sarah maxes out at 89 pts without a wall.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Yupa, I don't know what the hell was wrong with me this past weekend. You noticed that I got better, but I didn't play anywhere near as well as I know that I can play. I missed quite a few of my inputs at terrible times (like my match against Chefboy). I almost never do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, but for some odd reason I blew input after input. By accident, I was inputting /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif--maybe it was just an adrenaline thing. I also threw out /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for some odd reason a lot, too. I was thinking about sticking with the pad, but I just bought the Hori stick. We'll see how it goes. Anyway, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is one of my favorites, but I have been looking for quick follow-ups after (because of the negative frames). I have been trying /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (the fast knee), but it can be guarded. Any ideas?

I haven't gotten Sarah over 89dmg without a wall either.

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Probably your best option if the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif hits but doesn't knock down is to evade. You'll dodge any fast linear counter attacks, and then can throw or go for a dragon cannon combo. If the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is blocked, Sarah is about as vulnerable as you ever get in this game (-18) The only thing you can do is multible throw escapes-guard, and pray. Remember, this is a low attack that recovers standing, so you're vulnerable to standing throws. At -18, many launching attacks are guaranteed, so don't spam /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif too often. Use it to end combos.

I don't know what /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is. Did you mean /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif?

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

This is way off topic for a Sarah thread, but how else do you hunt down Yupa?

Hey Yupa, it's Mason. Long time no see man! Just back into the VF scene, you still live within driving distance of Massachusetts? I'm guessing so, with your sig about the Patriots. Anyway, I made a post on general trying to find some old school players, and they told me where to find you.

EDIT: I looked at your location, looks like you're in RI now. I'm thinking that's driving distance. =)

-MassJeff

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Taking this to PM...

 

Re: Looking for New Combos with Sarah

Whoops. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is what I meant.