Lion's Bounce Moves

So after watching some of the videos that optimus kindly hosted on his YouTube account, I started thinking about the bounce moves, that rebound characters off the ground for another float and moooooore damage. Anyone got any definite confirmations on them?

The only ones I can think of that would make sense to bounce would be:

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Second hit of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
...Maybe /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif?
...Possibly the last hit of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif//forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif?

He has a lack of moves that obviously hit downwards, and I don't have access to a PS3 at the moment.

 

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From side crumple this one bounces, defo, cos Rayne hit me with it several times.

 

Yeah, I use that one a lot. The bounce isn't very big, though. Doesn't appear to be enough time to turn for a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif for example, and the canned followups like /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif can be QRed. Or is that TRed?

 

Hi Kay, glad to hear you're still at it. The best combo to use after sidekick crumple is B,F K+G then p,k,p. The first punch is from back-turned stance so will do the double punch. New combo I found out, do fully charged B, P+K then do B, G+P+K (to go into his new stance) press K and hope they tech-roll. If you immediately do a sidekick it will back-stagger them. Which is always nice. Not much damage but after the back-stagger you have the potential to royally screw them, plus it looks flashy. Good luck!
Leo- are you coming to that thing in Harrow? Please do, would be good to play you again.

 

I dunno when the date is! If I don't make it to Harrow that weekend, I'll come to Bath again, or bring you to London so that some other VF heads can play you. I'm sure Oli's crew (ie the hardcore) would be well up for some matches.

If you have a fully charged b+P+K, blatantly buss out the b,b+K,P+K > b,t+P+K,P,P for insane guaranteed damage!

 

Yeah it is insane but its all about the flash!

 

Hoping to have a good setup for VF5 (and people to play against!) when I find a new place to move into with a friend. Then I'll be able to practice all this at my leisure. Gonna work at finding ways to slip the knee into combos, because it's just flashy.

 

Kay, are you moving to London? I have a friend moving to London soon as well, and he's huge on fighting games.

 

No, staying in Cambridge. I could move to London with my job, though the commute'd be longer, I'd have to pay more for travel, and I'd have to pay more for rent.

But... BOUNCE MOVES, LEO! BOUNCE MOVES.

 

I literally only know that one, though Chibita kind of bounces with P+K in a combo I saw the other day, but I couldn't really tell what was going on. And I forget where I saw it /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

If you want to bounce, turn to Jeffry - he's a beast! Highkick's newest video has an insane wall combo on Lau.

 

Enh, I like Lion. He's irritating.

I've bounced with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif from time to time, as well as the two slams at the end of some punch chains - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif//forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, but I was looking for guaranteed (or at least highly reliable) situations to use them in.

I thought Lion'd be a better bouncer, given that he's supposed to really be able to punish people on the ground.

 

Yeah but that's mostly with Okizeme. Bouncing isn't for people already on the ground.

 

Remind me to ask you about Lion's okizeme when you're up here next weekend. As I said, I still have absolutely loads to learn about the game in general. Beyond light and heavy down-attacks, how are you meant to hurt people that have been knocked down? Most of my damage comes from combos, especially after using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif if I get a head crumple or something similar.

 

With Lion, that's it for damaging downed opponents. Until they get back up, of course.

 

Hey Kay, after certain moves moves if they dont tech roll you can hit them on the floor. After F, K+G if you dash forward you can do a low kick on them and then a F,F,K,K. They can tech roll after the low kick but it if they dont expect it you can catch them unawares and do the follow up. If they still dont tech roll then you can finish with a light down attack. Just something to throw in occasionaly if they're being annoying and staying on the floor all the time. Theres some good times to catch them with B,F,K+G if they dont roll as well.

 

I didn't realise I could knock them with a dash to low-kick after the big roundhouse, I'll have to check that out sometime. It seems pretty cheeky that you're able to lift them high enough for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif - you don't have to tap guard between the low kick and the double-jump-kick do you?

 

Not really, just leave a gap, you hit them with the low kick and they fall back on the floor. Then you can still kick them with the double kick. They can roll after the low kick as I said so its not a combo as such but worth knowing.

 

I was messing with the bounce combo today and I found out a couple of new combos I didn't know before. Maybe other Lion players can tell me if these are old or not, or if there are better ones. I know the most popular bounce combo /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif does 77 pts damage, so these are a little bit more.

1. Bounce ( /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif 78 pts
2. Bounce -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif 79 pts

Also I was trying out new combos out of side crumples, and came up with these.

3. Side crumple -> defensive move (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif 79-82 pts depending on character
4. Side crumple -> defensive move (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif 80 pts if they tech, 76 pts if they don't, but you should be able to get the 12 pt ground hit if they don't tech.
5. Side crumple -> defensive move (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif) -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif 75-79 pts no tech, 83 pts tech.

I didn't test these on every single character so I don't know who they work on, but I know they worked on a lot. Also for combos 3-5 the combos only worked from certain sides, like doing a defensive move either going up or down. On some characters it worked going up, and some down, and some not at all.