Intentional Disadvantage

What's the point of putting yourself at a mild, intentional disadvantage?

I remember in vf4evo during one point in the (excellent)tutorial mode an exercise in which I would have to put myself at a disadvantage, see an oncoming attack, and evade.

Maybe I'm wrong. Could somebody explain the purpose of doing this?

 

The only cases I can see is to provoke a specific reaction of the opponent, or at the beginning of the fight to understand his patterns ( ex: blocked elbow : does he backdash, elbow too, throw, etc....).
To provoke a fail whiff punish you can whiff intentionnally too ( with the distance matching the recovery of the hit of course ^^), and do a whiff punish of your own.

 

Ok, so basically what VF4EVo said about it... Although evo didn't have any frame data within the game like fs.

I really want 5fs to have an evo like training mode combined with it's packaged-in frame data.

 

Yeah false advantage is a killer. A really basic example is moves that give knockback on block. Itmight be -8 on block but it pushes them out of range of being able to play with the same moves you would at that advantage.

Blaze's shadow spear is -8 on block but has enough knockback that he can use a backward crouch dash into his shadow hammer 2_:+) to whiff punish failed pressure because of the gap.

I think the reasoning in the training scenario is just to get you used to using evades as a defensive measure when your attack is blocked.

 

yea jacky has alot of moves that put people at false advantage. like Beat spin is -9 on block but if you delay you slide shuffle or just wait 4 there reaction like 2p you can launch them. I mean jacky's the king of abare counters lol

 

Yeah, no.

On topic: That evo trial only makes you put yourself at disadvantage so you can practice defending your way out of it. A good reason to put yourself at disadvantage is to bait your opponent into attacking into your sabaki's/reversals etc. I use into Jumonji stance with Kage repeatedly to set up multiple options for this purpose or outspeed them if they don't realise I'm only at -2. Not many characters can/need to do this though.

 

Pai has number of moves with this property and a good pai player can actually attack constantly if the other person keep on attacking knowing the initial P, 2P will whiff on block after pai does something like her 66P as 1 example because of the push back. She is still at disadvantage yes but the opponent has to hit with the right ranged move and Pai has a chance to think about her move based on what her foe does adding to the pressure she already puts you in with her fast attacks and crazy mix ups.

Even moves like Akira's godly elbow will whiff if this situation happens as 1 example after a good back dash. I do a decent job of taking advantage of it but the best pais use it to kill people for making obvious mistakes in their judgement and all Pai has to do to make it even worst is back dash right after that to make it even harder to hit her after them. It is like the perfect trap game I use every once in awhile and look to utilize when I get the chance. It is a great way fake people out and gauge her foe too watch her enemy if that is what she wants to pick up on patterns from a safe distance out too.

 

This is just baiting, no?

 

If this is what I think it is Izuna then its just an exercise, its training you to deal with things at disadvantage but to do that you must first put yourself in disadvantage. It's not telling you to put yourself at disadvantage willingly in a real match, its just for the purpose of the exercise.

If that makes sense.

 

@Izuna_Shoryuken
Sorry my first comment didn't make sense since you were talking about tutorial.

 

yes ik what im talking bout. lol Double punch slash is -10 on block but if you press a p or mid you'll eat his gwe chuie. same thing on side block because all moves that go into slide shuffle you can abare. you didnt realise this? cmon now. thats y you see people dp once he goes into his SS. because they can do anything else. same with turn slant back knuckle is +1 on hit. i can throw out kickflip which is 13 frames and beat 2p which is 12 frames. so yea he's strongest when it comes to false disadvantage

 

low backfist is -1 on hit not +1, and kickflip is 14 frames not 13. That setup probably just works for you online.

The PPK SS P thing is legit. Loses to 2P but you can just delay SS P+KP to nail that.