Face Down, Head Towards tech roll properties

I was experiment with oki vs head down face towards rising attacks. And found the following:

If u do a move that stomach crumples (i used goh's 3p+k for all these) if the opponent does a tech roll rising mid it is always half circular and u can evade to what was there back side when they standing.

In the above situation ^ if u do any move that hits them during the crumple (2p, k, etc) it changes the direction you can have to evade to be safe. You will now want to evade to what was there stomach side at time of gut collapse.

If they do a low rising, and u punish with OM K, u may get a back or a side collapse. If you OM the opposite direction than they tech roll, you have a good chance of getting back crumple. If you OM in the same direction, i could only get side crumple.

Note: akiras low rising is completely linear, and then a backward summersault. So just evade and dash in and punish.

 

oh yeah. with goh it u can use 2/8 p+k as oki (best if used to the backside, since u are then evading the mid rising k with it) and then 2/8 k+g for the combo hit throw with it. Not ur best option, but stylish and about the best way i've found to get the combo hit throw in.

 

damn it. i mean face down head towards. i knew HDFT didn't look right. Would a mod be a dear and fix the title. thanks.

 

What the heck? You can't do rising attacks when you tech roll, dude.

 

Thats different from doing the actual rising attacks listed in the movelist. When you techroll (++ / ++) or quick rise (++), you can only do the characters standard moves like doublepalm (and generally its not advisable to try it). Not the rising kicks (low/mid) that have their own evade directions. Rising kicks can be done only with KKK and d+KKK when rising from the ground normally.

 

i know.

but it makes no mention that if u hit them during a gut collapse it effectively changes what is the front/back side. It doesn't adv that vs 2kkk an OM K the oposite direction than they are rolling yields a back stagger.

and anyhow, i'm just hoping it will help someone out. it would have been a help to me to have known these things when i first started, or even a while after that.