1K+G - useless move?

I think this move is totally useless in VF5FS, the only reason why is because there is the much better move 2/8K+G!

2/8K+G vs 1K+G:

= Low attack
= the same advantage: on CH+7, on NH +4, on G -15
= near the wall both give the same Wall stagger
= the same Range
+ 2/8K+G on back leg gives by 2F more (CH+9, NH+5)
+ faster by 5F
+ has evasive properties from linear attacks, good on disadvantage against linear attacks/throw
- only 2health lower dmg (20 vs 22)

RESUME: 2/8K+G is more enhanced version of 1K+G.

So, what is the reason to use 1K+G at all?

 

The only theoretical reason I have for using it is if the opponent has a wall directly behind him. 1K+G causes a wallstagger on NH, 2/8K+G does not. It's not good for even that purpose though. The stagger doesn't guarantee anything, it's linear and it's so slow you get tagged if they pressed anything.

EDIT: oh, you can use it as a round ender taunt to stomp their body

 

Yes, you are right. Stagger on NH and Taunt (no dmg) on knock down opponent are the only reasons to use this move! How pathetic, i always thought that there are no useless moves in VF...

 

I wouldn't consider it totally useless because of that wallstagger, but it's certainly more limited than it needs to be because of the atrocious speed.

Oh, and there always useless moves in every game, VF just tends to have less of those. Or do you actually have a reason for using Kages 8P+K for example

 

Super mixup after 66P+G: 8P_8P+K.

 

Where's the mix up ? They're both mid !
But I managed to land that move a couple of time because my scrubby oponent was doing an advancing attack during 8P+K and Kage just hits him in the back.. so funny. Trolling purpose only.. Wait, it's not the Kage forum sorry

 

I have no idea why that move is there. It's too slow to be useful like ComboLammas mentioned. You can throw it out once every blue moon if you like.

 

That's a move I rarely/never use either, like Combolammas said it's only useful with the opponent's back to the wall, you can try it once in a while to keep the wall pressure, when you've got some frame advantage before and only if you don't think your opponent will DM .

Yes , Goh's got these nasty taunts with P+K too ^^"

 

Reviving old thread.
Sadly the 1K+G move is useless, b/c the Wall stagger reason is neglected by 3K+G move.
3K+G move VS 1K+G move - NEAR THE WALL:
+ more damage (24 VS 21)
+ faster (26 frames VS 27 frames)
+ Half cicrular VS linear
+ High crush (evades High strikes)
+ Hit throw on counter possibility
+ longer range
+ THE SAME Wall stagger duration.

I hope there is some hidden usage for 1K+G Goh's move.....

 

Yes but too tight timing.
But
3K+G better as Okizeme:
+ evades sometimes Mid rising attack
+ guaranteed hit throw, so larger dmg 61 VS 30 instead of +7 advantage
= the same tight timing

 

Man, tried, but NO Knockdown at all, only +8/+9 adv on counter hit as Okizeme (standing hit stun).
How do you get KD with 1K+G?

 

No KD.
Only hit stun for +7.
But for this purpose may be better K+G: more advantage and side turned (+9+13 frames), 5 frames active phase.

I think this strike is not tuned right by AM2, prev Vanilla version was well tuned = causes KD on recovery CH and was High crush.

So, i am VERY TUNED for ANY hidden feature of this new 1K+G VF5FS/US.

I can not believe in such issue from AM2.

 

Guys, i FOUND!

The only pros and unique feature of 1K+G is that this is the ONLY ONE Low move that PUSHES away the opponent, especially on Hit (NH=CH). Not dramatically like 6P+K, but far enough to get out of Throw distance.
It can be useful for ring out for ex.
Very tricky usage but something at least)

 

1) Correction (agree w Combolammas):
1K+G on NH near the wall = +4 adv + stagger = good TOTAL advantage, better than 3K+G (-4 on NH) = good tool for opening High Guarding opponent near the wall. 8/2K+G has the same +4 on NH but no wall stagger so less advantage (btw no evasive properties).
2) 1K+G had the SAME initial animation as 4K (mid AT) = good mix-up! Only kiai sound allows to recognize which one is starting up.

 

Wait! So they took away his low sweep kick, and instead, gave him that move?

 

No such thing as a Totally Useless Move in VF lol.. Some where down the line when the meta changes a move will and can change the narratives.